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Aeolus451 said:
HomokHarcos said:

I just don't understand how somebody can use austistic as an insult and not look down on people with autism. Just like I don't think somebody can use gay as an insult and not be a homophobe.

That's because you're taking it as literally as possible to where it's offensive regardless of context. Context matters more than the word itself. Also, people are more than able to disassociate a word from its original meaning to mean something else. Take your use of homophobe as an example of that. 😽

In what context does autistic not mean autistic? Like are there seriously people that use that word that don't know what autism is?



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thismeintiel said:
the-pi-guy said:

Firstly: what nonhateful point of views are unable to be shared by not using derogatory terms.

Second:. How can you argue that equating a group of people with a word that is meant as a derogatory isn't derogatory?  "I'm not a homophobe, I just hate gay people" doesnt make any sense .

1. These words are offensive/hateful by your definition.  And that's the problem with "hateful/offensive" words.  Every person is offended by different things.  Really any words can be derogatory depending on how you use them.  And quite a few people are just out to find the next offensive thing for the sake of virtue signalling.  Just like how actual medical classifications slowly become "offensive," so they must be changed.  As someone posted earlier, this is how the classification was changed to retard, as the ones used before were "offensive," and then changed to mentally disabled.  And I bet before I die, that will be deemed offensive and changed, yet again.  Crippled was changed to physically handicapped, and we are already seeing some people being offended by that.  It's just pathetic really.

2.  Because people are not equating a group of people.  They aren't insulting truly autistic people, or gays, when they use those terms.  Language is fluid.  It's the reason people use homophobe, even though that word should describe someone who is actually afraid of a gay person, not someone who dislikes them.  Of course, that word, as well as racist and misogynist, are thrown around so loosely, they have almost lost all meaning.  Anyway, gay meant happy at first.  Then, the gay community took that word to describe themselves.  Well, straight people just took it back, making it mean bad/lame.  It's not an insult to gay people, it's just being used in a different way.  If gay people don't like it, they can either get over it, or find another word.

I actually have just realized my own hypocrisy because I used childish as an insult in this same  thread. Maybe my stance on this matter has changed.



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

That's a whole lot of N-bombs to drop just in the name of conflating autism with race.

Because essentially they are similar, people don't choose whether they have autism in the same way that people don't choose their race, so criticizing/attacking them for it should not be acceptable. Using autistic or "dripping with autism" as an insult is saying that being autistic itself is a bad thing.

They aren't similar. One is a race of people with individual thoughts, freedoms, and personalities. The other is a mental condition that affect the individual thoughts, freedoms, and personalities of those who have it. We're not talking about stereotypes, we're talking about known symptoms of a known condition. Comparing black people to autism is tantamount to claiming black people have little-to-no control over their actions, which is also a perfect example of the "soft bigotry of low expectations".



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I wouldnt use and havent used that word, but I dont give that much power to words either. something people need to learn.



 

Immersiveunreality said:
Azuren said:

Because Autistic covers all those points.

 

"Dripping with autism"

Or

"Dripping with anti-social tendencies, an egotistical personality, and unchecked rage"

 

One is better for padding a book. The other is better for making a quick point.

That's like telling a gay person that he is dripping with gayness or homosexuality, people can have the freedom to do that offcourse and im a defender of freedom of speech but it makes you sound like a childish douchebag and it does not help to do that in conversations and surely not if you want them to open up.

BTW the OP just asked everyone to be nicer, thats not much to ask its not like he wants to restrict freedoms.

Except no, you're conflating known symptoms of a mental condition to gay people. Read my previous post to VGP.

 

And most of my irl gay friends would be ecstatic to be described as "dripping with gayness".



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Azuren said:
Immersiveunreality said:

That's like telling a gay person that he is dripping with gayness or homosexuality, people can have the freedom to do that offcourse and im a defender of freedom of speech but it makes you sound like a childish douchebag and it does not help to do that in conversations and surely not if you want them to open up.

BTW the OP just asked everyone to be nicer, thats not much to ask its not like he wants to restrict freedoms.

Except no, you're conflating known symptoms of a mental condition to gay people. Read my previous post to VGP.

 

And most of my irl gay friends would be ecstatic to be described as "dripping with gayness".

The symptoms have a very widespread variety and most that call others autistic doesn't even know what the hell they're are.

Hey nothing wrong with friends joking at eachother but this is about having some decency against the ones that aren't you're friends.



Immersiveunreality said:
Azuren said:

Except no, you're conflating known symptoms of a mental condition to gay people. Read my previous post to VGP.

 

And most of my irl gay friends would be ecstatic to be described as "dripping with gayness".

The symptoms have a very widespread variety and most that call others autistic doesn't even know what the hell they're are.

Hey nothing wrong with friends joking at eachother but this is about having some decency against the ones that aren't you're friends.

And we're very clearly discussing one set of symptoms of one type of autism.



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Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

Because essentially they are similar, people don't choose whether they have autism in the same way that people don't choose their race, so criticizing/attacking them for it should not be acceptable. Using autistic or "dripping with autism" as an insult is saying that being autistic itself is a bad thing.

They aren't similar. One is a race of people with individual thoughts, freedoms, and personalities. The other is a mental condition that affect the individual thoughts, freedoms, and personalities of those who have it. We're not talking about stereotypes, we're talking about known symptoms of a known condition. Comparing black people to autism is tantamount to claiming black people have little-to-no control over their actions, which is also a perfect example of the "soft bigotry of low expectations".

Again, that goes back to using other adjectives that are more specific and relate more to the actual behaviour, rather than just using the term autistic. And of course it's relating to low expectations of blacks, my whole point was that I know people who view blacks negatively and thus they use that as a slur for traits that they deem as inferior, in the same way that those who use the term autistic as an insult use the term because they view autistics as inferior. 



Azuren said:
Immersiveunreality said:

The symptoms have a very widespread variety and most that call others autistic doesn't even know what the hell they're are.

Hey nothing wrong with friends joking at eachother but this is about having some decency against the ones that aren't you're friends.

And we're very clearly discussing one set of symptoms of one type of autism.

That does not even matter,it stays rude and the person you say it to does not know what you see as autistic.

Its not widespread known so dont be like its clear :p

At least tell them they're being egoistic or arrogant  or edgy, be specific so people know what they need to work on. But that's my view on it so we can agree to dissagree and i would never want it to be forbidden to use certain words.



the-pi-guy said:

 

The problem is when you are using those words to insult someone.  "This thread is gay" = not okay.  

I disagree gay can also be used as happy, cheerful etc. etc.



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