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Fortnite - warning DO NOT play on PS4, or you can't play on Switch (and quick start guide if you're sheltered like me, and didn't know about this game before)

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quickrick said:
KLAMarine said:

Any improvement should be welcome however it's done.

Cool. I'd like Rare Replay on Switch. Cuphead would be sweet too.

what  Nintedo, and Microsoft go hand in hand. it's not about being dicks it's just business.

Some business is scummy in nature.



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KLAMarine said:
quickrick said:

what  Nintedo, and Microsoft go hand in hand. it's not about being dicks it's just business.

Some business is scummy in nature.



quickrick said:
KLAMarine said:

Some business is scummy in nature.



KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

The need is to point out it's the device makers that are at fault, even if they have been given false information leading them wanting to cause chaos. If they didn't seek out all information available and analyze it properly and come to the conclusion that the info they were given is wrong and they shouldn't do it, it's their fault. If they were forced to do it, with their lives at stake, that's tougher, but knowing the potential outcome of something like this, agreeing to do it would be extremely selfish.

Last I checked, we don't know what happened behind closed doors between Epic Games and Sony so trying to find fault in what happened behind closed doors is doomed from the start.

What we DO know is EG has pointed the finger at Sony for imposing restrictions and it being beyond EG's control to change that. What we also know is Nintendo and Microsoft allow for console cross-play and cross-platform EG account access. Sony does not.

If Epic Games can provide for Microsoft and Nintendo to share Fortnite accounts, why can't the same be done for Sony? Gonna guess this is Sony's fault, not Epic Games's.

EricHiggin said:

*Lot's of completely random stuff*

Eric, with all due respect, try to keep your posts short and to the point. I thank you for all the info but it's hard to follow your thought process since it feels all over the place and there's so much that I lose interest in reading it all.

The what we know point is a poor argument. Basically all your saying is I don't want to think any further than what's thrown in my face by the "authorities" in media. Sheep move because the dog is 'in charge'. In reality, the human is standing there taking everything in and directing the dog to make the sheep do what they want, and the sheep have no clue.

As for the too much info comment, not sure why all the posts so far weren't a problem, yet a bunch at once is too much? Why does separating by multiple posts make it easier? Too many solid points in a row a lot harder to defend? I seriously don't know how much closer I could have laid the dots out. The line they create isn't far from linear.

'Losing interest in reading all of it'. So if it's not in Twitter format it's not worth reading? It explains your strong point of view of how people themselves are almost never to blame but extremely large groups of people with power are the root of all evil.

This is part of the reason big corporations don't listen to the people all that much. I'm sure PS has already thought to themselves, 'we can't explain the entire situation in a tweet, and if we write a few paragraphs on any other platform they'll never read it anyway, and a bunch of cross play pushers will just take it all out of context and tweet a bunch of BS and make us look bad, so let's just go with a typical corporate BS response and leave them all hanging'. 

'Can't beat'm? Meme them!' In all seriousness though, if you and others really want PS to try and work on the account issue and CP, when they ask why, they are going to expect way more than just, 'because it would be fun and XB and Nin are doing it'. That will just get the door or a Fortnite bundle thrown in your face.  Good luck.

flashfire926 said:
EricHiggin said:

What I will point out, is that by constantly bringing up stuff like cross accounts and cross play, over and over, will lead to things staying exactly the same. PS will not change this while the controversy is in people's recent memory. If they are going to allow it, it's going to happen when the dust has long settled, and they can make it look like it was 100% their idea and 100% for the gamers. They will not allow MS and Nin to claim a PR victory from it. You can almost bet they will follow that up with something new to draw in customers to make up for the losses, that is also 'anti consumer' because they will be the only one's who have it. That's just how things work though.

But they did allow MS/Nintendo to get a PR victory. This makes them look worse than the MS/Nintendo. If Sony did enable it, it would be less of a PR victory, since all will be on level ground.

Sure, a very small short lived victory. Losing one small almost meaningless battle, is totally worth the bricks of gold PS were able to retrieve because of it. If they are smart, which I'll assume they are, they are going use the value of that gold to create new cool stuff that nobody else has. They will then decide to free the accounts and allow CP and everyone will cheer and be happy since they can now play with their friends. Meanwhile MS and Nin will be in tears because the customers they thought they were going to gain because of this, are all buying PS products anyway because of the new cool stuff they offer. Heck, PS can just use it to make PS5 super cheap for the performance at launch and that's probably more than enough. Winning this war will be meaningless to XB and Nin if they find out PS has new weapons of mass destruction in their arsenal now. It's all business tactics behind the scenes one way or another.



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EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said:

Last I checked, we don't know what happened behind closed doors between Epic Games and Sony so trying to find fault in what happened behind closed doors is doomed from the start.

What we DO know is EG has pointed the finger at Sony for imposing restrictions and it being beyond EG's control to change that. What we also know is Nintendo and Microsoft allow for console cross-play and cross-platform EG account access. Sony does not.

If Epic Games can provide for Microsoft and Nintendo to share Fortnite accounts, why can't the same be done for Sony? Gonna guess this is Sony's fault, not Epic Games's.

Eric, with all due respect, try to keep your posts short and to the point. I thank you for all the info but it's hard to follow your thought process since it feels all over the place and there's so much that I lose interest in reading it all.

The what we know point is a poor argument. Basically all your saying is I don't want to think any further than what's thrown in my face by the "authorities" in media. Sheep move because the dog is 'in charge'. In reality, the human is standing there taking everything in and directing the dog to make the sheep do what they want, and the sheep have no clue.

Eric, are you prepared to debunk the following screenshot?

I ask because this is what was provided by "authorities" in media. Variety, for example: https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/fortnite-switch-ps4-accounts-1202843175/

EricHiggin said:

As for the too much info comment, not sure why all the posts so far weren't a problem, yet a bunch at once is too much? Why does separating by multiple posts make it easier? Too many solid points in a row a lot harder to defend? I seriously don't know how much closer I could have laid the dots out. The line they create isn't far from linear.

'Losing interest in reading all of it'. So if it's not in Twitter format it's not worth reading? It explains your strong point of view of how people themselves are almost never to blame but extremely large groups of people with power are the root of all evil.

All I'm asking is for you to shorten up your posts. It's what I try to do: keep things brief and to the point and not try to use overly-complicated metaphors.

EricHiggin said:

This is part of the reason big corporations don't listen to the people all that much. I'm sure PS has already thought to themselves, 'we can't explain the entire situation in a tweet, and if we write a few paragraphs on any other platform they'll never read it anyway, and a bunch of cross play pushers will just take it all out of context and tweet a bunch of BS and make us look bad, so let's just go with a typical corporate BS response and leave them all hanging'. 

Sony putting out "a typical corporate BS response" does nothing more than make Sony look bad. It also not only fuels the efforts of the "cross play pushers" but also sours more moderate spectators.

Sony's not very smart if your description of them is to be believed. I think they should have gone with the "writing a few paragraphs" approach and at least maybe win over moderate people who will have made the effort to read Sony's response in full.

EricHiggin said:

'Can't beat'm? Meme them!' In all seriousness though, if you and others really want PS to try and work on the account issue and CP, when they ask why, they are going to expect way more than just, 'because it would be fun and XB and Nin are doing it'. That will just get the door or a Fortnite bundle thrown in your face.  Good luck.

The issue is damaging to their image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vqhSAyAcjo

Sony's not "4theplayer" nor is PS always "the best place to play" as their marketing regularly points out.

It also leaves them open for Nintendo and Microsoft to attack. I hope Nintendo and Microsoft do so at some point.



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KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

The what we know point is a poor argument. Basically all your saying is I don't want to think any further than what's thrown in my face by the "authorities" in media. Sheep move because the dog is 'in charge'. In reality, the human is standing there taking everything in and directing the dog to make the sheep do what they want, and the sheep have no clue.

Eric, are you prepared to debunk the following screenshot?

I ask because this is what was provided by "authorities" in media. Variety, for example: https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/fortnite-switch-ps4-accounts-1202843175/

EricHiggin said:

As for the too much info comment, not sure why all the posts so far weren't a problem, yet a bunch at once is too much? Why does separating by multiple posts make it easier? Too many solid points in a row a lot harder to defend? I seriously don't know how much closer I could have laid the dots out. The line they create isn't far from linear.

'Losing interest in reading all of it'. So if it's not in Twitter format it's not worth reading? It explains your strong point of view of how people themselves are almost never to blame but extremely large groups of people with power are the root of all evil.

All I'm asking is for you to shorten up your posts. It's what I try to do: keep things brief and to the point and not try to use overly-complicated metaphors.

EricHiggin said:

This is part of the reason big corporations don't listen to the people all that much. I'm sure PS has already thought to themselves, 'we can't explain the entire situation in a tweet, and if we write a few paragraphs on any other platform they'll never read it anyway, and a bunch of cross play pushers will just take it all out of context and tweet a bunch of BS and make us look bad, so let's just go with a typical corporate BS response and leave them all hanging'. 

Sony putting out "a typical corporate BS response" does nothing more than make Sony look bad. It also not only fuels the efforts of the "cross play pushers" but also sours more moderate spectators.

Sony's not very smart if your description of them is to be believed. I think they should have gone with the "writing a few paragraphs" approach and at least maybe win over moderate people who will have made the effort to read Sony's response in full.

EricHiggin said:

'Can't beat'm? Meme them!' In all seriousness though, if you and others really want PS to try and work on the account issue and CP, when they ask why, they are going to expect way more than just, 'because it would be fun and XB and Nin are doing it'. That will just get the door or a Fortnite bundle thrown in your face.  Good luck.

The issue is damaging to their image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vqhSAyAcjo

Sony's not "4theplayer" nor is PS always "the best place to play" as their marketing regularly points out.

It also leaves them open for Nintendo and Microsoft to attack. I hope Nintendo and Microsoft do so at some point.

Well it seemed like you were trying to see my points, but weren't quite there, so I felt the need to elaborate. Apparently I was mistaken I guess.

'The Fortnite account is associated with a platform we knowingly gave into even though we knew what the better decision would have been for the gamers but instead we caved. We can't do anything about it because we already signed a contract. We shouldn't have done that but it's too late now. Please don't hate us and open a new account and continue to play our game while purchasing more micro-transactions'.   Unless Nin is the one blocking PS accounts from being on Switch, which is more unlikely, that's my take on it.

PS gave a horrible PR response and still won me over so. I have no issue pointing out problems when any brand crosses the line, and while PS is getting closer, they haven't quite got there yet.



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quickrick said:
KLAMarine said:

Any improvement should be welcome however it's done.

Cool. I'd like Rare Replay on Switch. Cuphead would be sweet too.

what  Nintedo, and Microsoft go hand in hand. it's not about being dicks it's just business.

You make this statement sound like it's something that the rest of us don't get.

Of course the decision Sony has taken here is to benefit itself. They've calculated that a certain amount of gamer backlash is worth it for the extra dough with the added bonus of throwing a spanner in the works of its competitors.

What the gaming community can do is create a larger backlash than Sony anticipated and change the equation to a point where Sony doesn't think the extra coin they're making is worth the tarnishing of their brand.

Companies, including Sony, obviously do care how they're perceived otherwise they wouldn't have massive PR departments on their payroll... So to imply that best business practice = most money over the short-term is overly-simplistic & a tad naive.

If you want evidence just look at what the community's reaction achieved with SWBF2 or Shadow of War.

If everybody shares your passive attitude there's zero chance that Sony will change their stance or at least make them think twice before repeating a similar move in the future.

Try arguing on the side of the consumer (i.e. yourself) rather than being an apologist for a faceless corporation...



Biggerboat1 said:
quickrick said:

what  Nintedo, and Microsoft go hand in hand. it's not about being dicks it's just business.

You make this statement sound like it's something that the rest of us don't get.

Of course the decision Sony has taken here is to benefit itself. They've calculated that a certain amount of gamer backlash is worth it for the extra dough with the added bonus of throwing a spanner in the works of its competitors.

What the gaming community can do is create a larger backlash than Sony anticipated and change the equation to a point where Sony doesn't think the extra coin they're making is worth the tarnishing of their brand.

Companies, including Sony, obviously do care how they're perceived otherwise they wouldn't have massive PR departments on their payroll... So to imply that best business practice = most money over the short-term is overly-simplistic & a tad naive.

If you want evidence just look at what the community's reaction achieved with SWBF2 or Shadow of War.

If everybody shares your passive attitude there's zero chance that Sony will change their stance or at least make them think twice before repeating a similar move in the future.

Try arguing on the side of the consumer (i.e. yourself) rather than being an apologist for a faceless corporation...

Are you talking about blocking account, or crossplay? I think they should fix the blocking the account proble,, as for crossplay, i don't see sony ever doing it, they worked to build a huge online community if they open it up, they could lose tons of playstation console sales. sony will only allow if its starts effecting sales, where they aren't dominating.



quickrick said:
Biggerboat1 said:

You make this statement sound like it's something that the rest of us don't get.

Of course the decision Sony has taken here is to benefit itself. They've calculated that a certain amount of gamer backlash is worth it for the extra dough with the added bonus of throwing a spanner in the works of its competitors.

What the gaming community can do is create a larger backlash than Sony anticipated and change the equation to a point where Sony doesn't think the extra coin they're making is worth the tarnishing of their brand.

Companies, including Sony, obviously do care how they're perceived otherwise they wouldn't have massive PR departments on their payroll... So to imply that best business practice = most money over the short-term is overly-simplistic & a tad naive.

If you want evidence just look at what the community's reaction achieved with SWBF2 or Shadow of War.

If everybody shares your passive attitude there's zero chance that Sony will change their stance or at least make them think twice before repeating a similar move in the future.

Try arguing on the side of the consumer (i.e. yourself) rather than being an apologist for a faceless corporation...

Are you talking about blocking account, or crossplay? I think they should fix the blocking the account proble,, as for crossplay, i don't see sony ever doing it, they worked to build a huge online community if they open it up, they could lose tons of playstation console sales. sony will only allow if its starts effecting sales, where they aren't dominating.

I'm referring to blocking accounts. Not engaging in cross-play is another scenario and whilst I can see some gamers being disappointed, I don't think you can aim the same type of criticism at Sony for that as they are open and honest about their stance, nobody is being blind-sided or having a 3rd party account hijacked.

Still, their position on cross-play may bite them in the ass next generation, when there are potentially 60+ million switch owners out there who are potentially deciding between PS5 & XB2. That's assuming of course that they retain the same policy for their next PS.



KLAMarine said:
twintail said:

 

There is no denying that obviously EG needs to comply with Sony's policy.

The reality is that EG did indeed comply because they wanted the userbase and of course the massive financial gain that came with it. So EG are not without fault, and anyone trying to cushion them from the backlash is either oblivious to the obvious or are set on making Sony the sole target.

Sony set a policy, and EG agreed to it. They are both a fault in one way or another.

And yeah, at least the NDA suggestion is a lot more of an answer than 'maybe EG just didnt know what they were getting themselves into because they are a small little company who dont know any better'

This still does not eliminate the possibility that the agreement between EG and Sony on how Fortnite would be handled on PS4 had been concluded long before a Switch port even started consideration... By the time Switch port started work, dealings with Sony may have already concluded. Too late then, Switch access to a PS4-associated EG account was not discussed at the first round of dealings.

I sincerely think EG wants cross-platform and cross-access so that their players can move freely across platforms. It only makes sense to have this to maximize playtime and therefore, transactions. To lock players down to a platform and place limits, on the other hand, benefits a platform since players are now forced to use that platform.

EG has some blame sure but it doesn't make sense to me that they would ever want this situation to occur. I cannot say the same for Sony that has the greatest clout out of the big three.

Even if we assume there we no further dealings, its pretty obvious that whatever deal they made was for competition console devices, and not specifically just the X1. Either way, Sony not having cross-play with either X1 or Switch before Fortnite was released, and then not allowing content transfer with X1, only makes the issue with Switch even more obvious. Like, its possible they didnt know but in no way is it probable.

And I by no means argue that EG dont want a more open environment. But they accepted the terms given to them from Sony. because money was a lot more important to them than being pro-consumer. Agreeing and signing that agreement is more than just some blame. They had a role to play in all of this.