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AlfredoTurkey said:

It will launch head to head. Those of you who think that Sony will destroy them again need to look at your history. Look at the generation's starting from NES until now. How many times has the same company dominated twice? Just once. That's it. In all of gaming history, only one time has the same company dominated two times in a row in home consoles.

Things change. What happened in the eight generation is not automatically going to carry over. It COULD but the odds are against it. I fully expect Microsoft to take Sony on next generation with this in mind and not back down.

Even at best MS (360) had a hard time beating playstation (PS3) in its worst gen. Ps3 arguably sold more with one year less on the market.. so when did sony fail?? and when did MS won?? IMO Playstation has been a force to reckon with, since past 4 gen.. its just that blunder of PS3 launch and a year early launch made Xbox competitive against PS3. Playstation is such a strong brand that it survived those initial  mess up, but in the similar scenario xbox one struggled to even match PS4. 

Not to mention all the digital games and back ward compatibility will give enough incentive for 80m consumer to go with PS5 next gen, Xbox currently doesnt provide any incentive as to why I as a consumer should jump ship, I am just not going to rebuy all the games that i have accumulated on PS4.. 

the only way sony can mess up PS5 is if they restrict backward compatibility in any form. like if its only digital and no disc based, something like on PS4, no Support for PS2 and PS1 discs! The biggest trump card MS is going to have will be their BC.



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mundus6 said:
Traditional generations are over people. Playstation 5 will come, but the majority of its games will also work on PS4 (with worse framerate and graphics). Microsoft will do the same, but because they can still lean on PC and xbox one x, they can afford to wait longer. They will never actually sell more consoles than Sony anyway, unless they shoot themselves in the foot a la PS3. And even then it was only 2 markets where 360 sold more, where PS3 did better rest of the world. Its all about maximizing profits, which is why Microsoft got in to PC again in the first place (biggest platform in the world by quite a huge margin).

I don't think generations are over.  True, they will not be about gaphics anymore, but there will always be opprtunities for improvement.  Nintendo's two best selling"home" consoles of this century were both about advancing gaming in other ways besides graphics.



Dr.Vita said:
They will either launch at the same time or Microsoft will release their console first imo.

You really think that if Sony is doing a 2020 launch (as it appears from that quote, about crouching to jump high lateron, might indicate) that Microsft will launch a Xbox Two in 2019? The Xbox One X just came out like at the end of 2017.... you think that within 2years of its launch, there will be a replacement for the Xbox One X?

I dont think Xbox does that, it would be stepping on too many toes (those that opted to buy a xbox one x).



MasterThief said:

well considering the one X is newer than the pro. it would make sense that microsoft have been working on next gen for shorter than Sony. now that isn't bullet proof logic but you'd think. 

Why would the Xbox One X release date have any affect on the release date of Microsoft's next console?
It's not like Sony and Microsoft are building the chips that go into these machines.


MasterThief said:

anyway. we do know Sony is  deep into working on the PS5. multiple devs mentioning working on next gen games in Sony 1st party studios.  do you think we will see both consoles next to each other like last gen?

Obviously. And not because of what Developers or Sony have mentioned.
We know because consoles typically spend years being designed, tested, iterated upon, improved and so on, it's common sense... Just like water is wet.

 

MasterThief said:

I don't think microsoft can afford to let Sony release significantly earlier.

Really depends how the Playstation 5 resonates with consumers.


Cerebralbore101 said:
Microsoft won't be releasing an XB2. They will claim that XB1X was their next gen console, while slowly retreating from the console market. Why?

Yeah. You don't get to speak for Microsoft without evidence.


Cerebralbore101 said:
1. After 4K 30 FPS there's not much you can do as far as graphics go without breaking the bank.

False. Clearly you haven't been paying attention to what is happening on the PC are you?

Cerebralbore101 said:
Playing Witcher 3 in 4K takes a $1000 PC for 30 FPS. Playing Witcher 3 in 4K at 60 FPS takes well over $3000. A few years won't change this fact enough to make a $500 console that can play games at 4K 60 FPS feasible. Graphics won't surpass Witcher 3 on ultra setting, because that level of detail is too labor intensive for most studios. This is why only CDPR, and Sony have been able to push the envelope this gen. Only they have the money and talent to get over the labor hump.

Witcher 3 wasn't built from the ground up to take full advantage of next-gen capabilities.

 

Cerebralbore101 said:
4. Sony is crushing them this gen, and it's blatantly obvious that MS cannot compete with them.

Microsoft can compete just fine. They simply screwed up this generation.

Kyuu said:

Sony will dominate MS again and it will be even more one sided than this generation.

Evidence?


couchmonkey said:

This is where I think MS is headed too.  They're already trying to prep customers with the "generations are dead" propaganda.

Are you sure it's Microsoft that has been spreading that "Propaganda" or was it just a singular comment that someone made at Xbox and the gaming community has decided to take it and run with it?

taus90 said:

Even at best MS (360) had a hard time beating playstation (PS3) in its worst gen. Ps3 arguably sold more with one year less on the market.. so when did sony fail?? and when did MS won?? IMO Playstation has been a force to reckon with, since past 4 gen.. its just that blunder of PS3 launch and a year early launch made Xbox competitive against PS3. Playstation is such a strong brand that it survived those initial  mess up, but in the similar scenario xbox one struggled to even match PS4. 

To be fair... If Microsoft didn't have the PR disaster that was the RROD, last generation may have played out differently.

JRPGfan said:

The Xbox One X just came out like at the end of 2017.... you think that within 2years of its launch, there will be a replacement for the Xbox One X?

To be honest. They could release the next gen Xbox tomorrow. I would be keen. The Xbox One X shouldn't have any influence on when the next Xbox comes anyway.



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Considering the launch X1X I think it will be hard for MS to come before PS5 without making some damage to the brand.But they waiting to much after PS5 could make they lose timing and enter to late. They will probably launch close.



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AlfredoTurkey said:

It will launch head to head. Those of you who think that Sony will destroy them again need to look at your history. Look at the generation's starting from NES until now. How many times has the same company dominated twice? Just once. That's it. In all of gaming history, only one time has the same company dominated two times in a row in home consoles.

Things change. What happened in the eight generation is not automatically going to carry over. It COULD but the odds are against it. I fully expect Microsoft to take Sony on next generation with this in mind and not back down.

And how many times have MS won against PS??? 0 in 4... yes, no way in hell it could be 0 in 5 right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

i think they will release the next generation around the same time period, both can't afford to let the start the oppenent their new system earlier...



AlfredoTurkey said:
Kyuu said:

Sony will dominate MS again and it will be even more one sided than this generation.

What makes you so sure of this?

The PS2 absolutely dominated the generation.

The PS3 came out a year later, $200 more, and had HORRIBLE PR.  It still for the most part beat/tied the Xbox 360.

The PS4 is again absolutely dominating.

And while the XB2 won't repeat their mistakes (Forced kinect, horrible PR, costing more but being less) there are some mistakes they will easily repeat. They aren't building a lot of new studios. They are investing in timed exclusives more than actual exclusives.  They have no relationship with Japan what so ever.

Plus as far as console sales go, with XB releasing every game on PC - they will sell  less consoles. I am personally never going to get another one.



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MS clearly as a company is moving into being a primarily cloud-services company. Based on comments from MS I have seen, I believe they see the long-term future of gaming as primarily online streaming-based, not traditional console-based.

So I expect MS is much more concerned about “winning” the long-term streaming video game market, than they are concerned about “winning” the next traditional console generation. They of course would love to win both, but I think they are more concerned about the former.

In fact, I could imagine the next console generation being the last major console generation of its kind. Sony is definitely better positioned to win the next console generation, but with Azure, MS is better positioned to win the video game streaming market.

Video game developers have many reasons to prefer a primarily streaming-based future (cuts out retailers, eliminates used game purchases, eliminates console hard drive limitations, etc.).

This is all several years in the future obviously (at the least), but since Xbox is such a small portion of MS, they can afford to think more long-term.



brandon1546 said:
MS clearly as a company is moving into being a primarily cloud-services company. Based on comments from MS I have seen, I believe they see the long-term future of gaming as primarily online streaming-based, not traditional console-based.

So does Sony, that's why PlayStation Now exists, and is still expanding. It's a service that while not very popular or profitable now is being used to build the foundations of their cloud-gaming future, post-ps5.



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