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I'm tired of this overemphasis on diversity spilling into our entertainment.

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VGPolyglot said:
Medisti said:

Having characters being openly gay when their sexuality has nothing to do with the plot or their story is a real pet peeve of mine. If there's a romance subplot where they have a love interest, that's fine, but you don't see every straight character announcing "I'M STRAIGHT" randomly. It just comes across as forced and weird.

Have you played fighting games? In those they frequently state someone's likes/dislikes, not because it adds to the story/plot, but because it adds to the building of the world. Making someone openly straight/gay does the same thing, as addressing their sexuality makes the character more detailed.

I disagree, but it isn't even the same thing as a list of likes/dislikes. They put their blood type, too, in most Japanese fighting games, and no one is randomly saying their blood type as part of a story. I'm talking about in a movie or TV show, where there's no reason for a character to announce that they're gay, and they feel the need to shoe-horn it in there. 

On a similar note, why is it so often that a gay character is either evil or dies? wtf, lol



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Medisti said:
VGPolyglot said:

Have you played fighting games? In those they frequently state someone's likes/dislikes, not because it adds to the story/plot, but because it adds to the building of the world. Making someone openly straight/gay does the same thing, as addressing their sexuality makes the character more detailed.

I disagree, but it isn't even the same thing as a list of likes/dislikes. They put their blood type, too, in most Japanese fighting games, and no one is randomly saying their blood type as part of a story. I'm talking about in a movie or TV show, where there's no reason for a character to announce that they're gay, and they feel the need to shoe-horn it in there. 

And how are we determining whether or not it's shoe-horned in? By whether or not you like it? Why does it bother you if someone says they're gay? Even if it's not essential to the plot? Movies and TVs have plenty of scenes/details that can be considered as not being essential. Are we going to eliminate side-quests in games too because they're not essential to the main plot?



Paperboy_J said:
Snoopy said:

The character "L" seemed force for diversity reason imo. Completly different from the anime show.

Well Light wasn't supposed to be white either so...

Well first off, L looks white just like all other anime characters pretty much in death note. Second off, not just the look but the personality of L in the show was off... way off. You could've had a pale emo white dude and it would've worked well regarding looks. L in death note movie looks like a regular dude, which made the odd things he did not look correct. If you're going to have an odd character he has to look you know odd.



bugrimmar said:

2. Oh wow you know what that's called? RETCON. And that's supposed to be ok right?

Absolutely agree.  

Just like cell companies are retconning the phone.  They are trying to convince me that they have the technology for it to fit in our pockets.  Yeah right.

Seriously as far as retcon goes, that's pretty weak example of retcon.  

bugrimmar said:

3. Oh yeah Wikipedia. I love it. How about you find anything where patroclus is somehow Achilles lover rather than his blood relation?

 

a.)  Please. Ridiculous argument coz you aren't a fan. You don't get it. Tampering with story and lore for the sake of diversity is not acceptable. Make your own franchise. Don't tamper with what people already invest their time on.

So, because Wikipedia says something you disagree with, it's a bad source?  Despite the fact that much of what is on that page is cited from other easily accessible places.

https://books.google.com/books?id=WTRoAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA227&ots=F1TvWJPs7H&dq=aeschylus%20achilles%20trilogy%20erastes&hl=el&pg=PA227#v=onepage&q=aeschylus%20achilles%20trilogy%20erastes&f=false

 

@bold, you're saying that as if they couldn't be both or something.  A lot of the greek Gods married their siblings.   

a.)  On GhostBusters, it's their franchise to do whatever they want to.  If you don't like what they are doing, whatever.  If I don't like what they are doing, whatever.  

On Greek Mythology.  Anyone can, has and will put their own spin on it.  If you don't like what they've done with something, then don't watch.  Those companies aren't going out of their way to just appease you.  



Snoopy said:

Well first off, L looks white just like all other anime characters pretty much in death note. Second off, not just the look but the personality of L in the show was off... way off. You could've had a pale emo white dude and it would've worked well regarding looks. L in death note movie looks like a regular dude, which made the odd things he did not look correct. If you're going to have an odd character he has to look you know odd.

All the other characters are Japanese.  

Personality:  And Light was so much better?  You've gotta be kidding me.  Movie Light is so much further from Anime Light than L is, that your comparison is laughable to me.  



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VGPolyglot said:
Medisti said:

I disagree, but it isn't even the same thing as a list of likes/dislikes. They put their blood type, too, in most Japanese fighting games, and no one is randomly saying their blood type as part of a story. I'm talking about in a movie or TV show, where there's no reason for a character to announce that they're gay, and they feel the need to shoe-horn it in there. 

And how are we determining whether or not it's shoe-horned in? By whether or not you like it? Why does it bother you if someone says they're gay? Even if it's not essential to the plot? Movies and TVs have plenty of scenes/details that can be considered as not being essential. Are we going to eliminate side-quests in games too because they're not essential to the main plot?


Well, that's an excellent logical fallacy you have there with the side-quest question. I may steal that for my own use later if you don't mind.

And I am very much against non-essential scenes in movies. Like about 35% of the Last Jedi, lol. If something is superfluous in a film, it's better off not being there. Games are an entirely different medium and have completely different rules. If someone in a movie leaves the main plot for half an hour to do a side quest that has nothing to do with it, it's going to murder the pacing of the film. Anything that isn't needed is a distraction that can ruin immersion, and I don't like muh immersion being ruined.



I agree 100%. Diversity is good. Having diversity just for the sake of diversity isn’t.



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the-pi-guy said:
Snoopy said:

Well first off, L looks white just like all other anime characters pretty much in death note. Second off, not just the look but the personality of L in the show was off... way off. You could've had a pale emo white dude and it would've worked well regarding looks. L in death note movie looks like a regular dude, which made the odd things he did not look correct. If you're going to have an odd character he has to look you know odd.

All the other characters are Japanese.  

Personality:  And Light was so much better?  You've gotta be kidding me.  Movie Light is so much further from Anime Light than L is, that your comparison is laughable to me.  

 

The character looks more white than they do Japanese in the anime. I had to remind myself they are in Japan constantly just like Yugioh.

Both personalities were way off, but I could at least see how Light kind of looks the part. L was just an embarrassment all around.



Medisti said:
VGPolyglot said:

And how are we determining whether or not it's shoe-horned in? By whether or not you like it? Why does it bother you if someone says they're gay? Even if it's not essential to the plot? Movies and TVs have plenty of scenes/details that can be considered as not being essential. Are we going to eliminate side-quests in games too because they're not essential to the main plot?


Well, that's an excellent logical fallacy you have there with the side-quest question. I may steal that for my own use later if you don't mind.

And I am very much against non-essential scenes in movies. Like about 35% of the Last Jedi, lol. If something is superfluous in a film, it's better off not being there. Games are an entirely different medium and have completely different rules. If someone in a movie leaves the main plot for half an hour to do a side quest that has nothing to do with it, it's going to murder the pacing of the film. Anything that isn't needed is a distraction that can ruin immersion, and I don't like muh immersion being ruined.

Asking a question is a logical fallacy? Again, how are we even determining what is considered to be essential? If it adds to the atmosphere/lore it serves the purpose of making the world more detailed/lively.



Snoopy said: 

The character looks more white than they do Japanese in the anime. I had to remind myself they are in Japan constantly just like Yugioh.

Both personalities were way off, but I could at least see how Light kind of looks the part. L was just an embarrassment all around.

So what exactly would be the problem if they decided to make all the characters black?  

Sorry but I don't agree.  Light was an embarrassment.  L was the highlight, which isn't saying much.