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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 11): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - March 12-18, 2018

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fatslob-:O said:
Wyrdness said:

Except price is relevant because the 3DS was behind during the period it had the higher price you know why because Switch off the bat is a more appealing device even at its current price. 3DS required a 50 quid price cut to get into gear even though its launch price was still 50 quid lower than what the Switch is, cutting the price early for 3DS was never the intended strategy for it.

What's also relevant is the Switch's stronger software lineup overtime compared to the 3DS but that doesn't make the comparison any less apt ... 

Even though a price cut wasn't intended for the 3DS's strategy that's just how it played out but we also shouldn't assume that Nintendo will take a similar path in pricing strategy because that already isn't so when their paths diverged for sometime and quite frankly, an apples to apples comparison can never be made between two different systems however that doesn't mean we can't statisically isolate the market performance between them ... 

It's also intriguing that you've taken a standpoint from a certain someone in this community to focus on the nuances ... 

Again you can't get around the fact that a price cut was needed and to top it off the line up part has also debunked as overtime 3DS had an equivalent line up yet still required a price cut this is something you can't argue in anyway as one thing that is universal across all platforms regardless of strategy is that companies don't want to be force into an early price cut. This shows that Switch's strategy off the bat is working far better and going much more to plan than what the 3DS had planned in the same time period.

It's intriguing the certain other person seems to have ruffled your feathers to the point they're always on your mind.



Wyrdness said:

Again you can't get around the fact that a price cut was needed and to top it off the line up part has also debunked as overtime 3DS had an equivalent line up yet still required a price cut this is something you can't argue in anyway as one thing that is universal across all platforms regardless of strategy is that companies don't want to be force into an early price cut. This shows that Switch's strategy off the bat is working far better and going much more to plan than what the 3DS had planned in the same time period.

It's intriguing the certain other person seems to have ruffled your feathers to the point they're always on your mind.

And you can't get over the fact that the 3DS is beating the Switch in Japan launch aligned and no they did not have an equivalent lineup, the Switch actually came out with far stronger software in Japan ... (BotW already passed OoT 3D lifetime sales in Japan, Splatoon 2 has reached nearly 70% of MK7's lifetime sales in Japan but it still continues selling with strong legs and SMO has reach 75% of SM3DL lifetime in Japan) 

The real reason why Nintendo doesn't want Switch to match the price of 3DS is because they can't eat the losses with Switch's higher cost of production compared to 3DS hence what I meant by a different strategy, both systems don't even have a similar cost structure ... (Switch made a trade-off to gain more features/higher performance at the expense of design complexity while it was the other way around for 3DS) 

Your statement is a kin to that of "we can't compare the market performance between PS3 and PS2 because of price" ... 

As far as that certain other person your talking about, not at all. In fact my feelings are closer to that of respect rather than contempt but it's extremely funny how he got derided by the others around here for a similar tactic that you're trying to use against my argument by invalidating it because of the details while getting off scot free too ... 



peachbuggy said:
duduspace1 said:

Not 'Always' true as diminishing returns set in at some point and there is the added cost of running 2 products with significant differences in terms of volumes, parts availability e.t.c. You can be certain Sony would incur less costs making a single SKU of 30m than making 2 SKUs of 15 million each no matter the efficiencies they find in the manufacturing lines. The day the Pro was announced was an Obituary of sorts for the older models......Do you see the older 3DS models around anymore these days ?

By the way, I am not of the opinion that the stock problems are artificial, only saying there exists more plausible reasons to suggest such conspiracy theories in the case of the PS4 compared to the switch . It is also worth considering that even if the stock shortages in China are not artificial, they still might have arisen due to allocation of manufacturing resources between the older version(s) and the Pro.

Sony has stock shortages in China?

Meant Japan. Apologies to any Japanese person LOL



duduspace1 said:
peachbuggy said:

Sony has stock shortages in China?

Meant Japan. Apologies to any Japanese person LOL

Ah, that makes more sense, lol.



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fatslob-:O said:

And you can't get over the fact that the 3DS is beating the Switch in Japan launch aligned and no they did not have an equivalent lineup, the Switch actually came out with far stronger software in Japan ... (BotW already passed OoT 3D lifetime sales in Japan, Splatoon 2 has reached nearly 70% of MK7's lifetime sales in Japan but it still continues selling with strong legs and SMO has reach 75% of SM3DL lifetime in Japan) 

The real reason why Nintendo doesn't want Switch to match the price of 3DS is because they can't eat the losses with Switch's higher cost of production compared to 3DS hence what I meant by a different strategy, both systems don't even have a similar cost structure ... (Switch made a trade-off to gain more features/higher performance at the expense of design complexity while it was the other way around for 3DS) 

Your statement is a kin to that of "we can't compare the market performance between PS3 and PS2 because of price" ... 

As far as that certain other person your talking about, not at all. In fact my feelings are closer to that of respect rather than contempt but it's extremely funny how he got derided by the others around here for a similar tactic that you're trying to use against my argument by invalidating it because of the details while getting off scot free too ... 

I've given legit reasoning on why the aligned sales differ and the numbers during the different prices back me up you on the other have no counter to the argument other than mix mash of flawed responses and example is in your very first sentence where you're bringing up the sales of the line up despite the fact that you were trying to say the line ups are different in quality. The better sales in the Switch line up highlight my point further than the strategy for the platform is working far better and this is with out the need of emergency price cuts.

Yeah sure you're ruffled by them mate hence why you brought them up, it's tactic employed by someone unable to gain any ground in a debate so they bring up something or someone unrelated, the fact that you don't even mention any name further null and voids this part of your post because you know but mentioning their name you not only become subject to them but things like context and such then come into play which can further be used to shoot your notion down.



That 2.7m gap between the PS4 & Switch is closeing rapidly.

I wonder when the Switch will over take the PS4 in japan as the most sold "home" console for the gen?
Will it happend this year? mid next year? lateron?



JRPGfan said:
That 2.7m gap between the PS4 & Switch is closeing rapidly.

I wonder when the Switch will over take the PS4 in japan as the most sold "home" console for the gen?
Will it happend this year? mid next year? lateron?

The earliest would be Q4. And somewhat of a safe bet in dec. Q1 next year latest uanless ps4 goes into overdrive with a price cut



Wyrdness said:

I've given legit reasoning on why the aligned sales differ and the numbers during the different prices back me up you on the other have no counter to the argument other than mix mash of flawed responses and example is in your very first sentence where you're bringing up the sales of the line up despite the fact that you were trying to say the line ups are different in quality. The better sales in the Switch line up highlight my point further than the strategy for the platform is working far better and this is with out the need of emergency price cuts.

Yeah sure you're ruffled by them mate hence why you brought them up, it's tactic employed by someone unable to gain any ground in a debate so they bring up something or someone unrelated, the fact that you don't even mention any name further null and voids this part of your post because you know but mentioning their name you not only become subject to them but things like context and such then come into play which can further be used to shoot your notion down.

LOL, my post wasn't about the why and neither am I interested in arguing about it either ... 

You just tried to change the goal posts and find an excuse ...



fatslob-:O said:
Wyrdness said:

I've given legit reasoning on why the aligned sales differ and the numbers during the different prices back me up you on the other have no counter to the argument other than mix mash of flawed responses and example is in your very first sentence where you're bringing up the sales of the line up despite the fact that you were trying to say the line ups are different in quality. The better sales in the Switch line up highlight my point further than the strategy for the platform is working far better and this is with out the need of emergency price cuts.

Yeah sure you're ruffled by them mate hence why you brought them up, it's tactic employed by someone unable to gain any ground in a debate so they bring up something or someone unrelated, the fact that you don't even mention any name further null and voids this part of your post because you know but mentioning their name you not only become subject to them but things like context and such then come into play which can further be used to shoot your notion down.

LOL, my post wasn't about the why and neither am I interested in arguing about it either ... 

You just tried to change the goal posts and find an excuse ...

Another classic side step by someone with no response, moved goal posts when the context doesn't even apply, my post highlighted the price cut and effect it had you had no response to it, you tried bringing up line up then it was highlighted that the line ups were of equivalent quality at which point you tried bringing up sales of the line up which is ironically irrelevant to the argument at hand. It's not moving goal posts by me it's a red herring attempt by yourself.

Want an example of what moving goal posts is try your own post in another thread where you tried arguing only 2 Nintendo platforms had sold 100m while saying the GB doesn't count.