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Vincoletto on 21 February 2018
DonFerrari said:
Vincoletto said:
As always, the problem is a minority that is very loud and dominates media. Probably almost no one cares about it and are happy that it shows history as it should be, and im black. The vast majority of black people probably dont care also. But it just takes a few articles like this by a small minority to start some problem and affecr the game sales, picture the developer as racist and help the so called journalist to make a name for himself.
Then people complain that trump gets elected...

Next we should make a viking games where the vikings are all black, hispanic and Asian female lesbian... with white males being slaves... of course that is very accurate historic telling.

You freaking racist facist taxist fashionist, what about the native americans and native latin americans, you think you are better than them to exclude them from your game idea? I hope you never touch a development studio in your life!



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Vincoletto on 21 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
More recently, he wore the same T-shirt depicting an album cover by the band Burzum every day at Gamescom 2017 - a very visible time for him and his game. Burzum is the work of one man: Varg Vikernes, a convicted murderer and outspoken voice on racial purity and supremacy. He even identified as a Nazi for a while.

I like Pantera. They are white. They are from the south, they are from the Texas and like the confederate flag. And Phil while drunk or on drugs made the nazi salute on a concert.

Therefore its ok to suspect I may be a Nazi.



Nautilus on 21 February 2018
SuperNova said:
Aeolus451 said:

It seems pretty cool. I plan on getting it. 

  No, there's not. You play as a white male who's the son of a blacksmith. It has a set character in a set time period and in a set place. There's not even a character creation feature. There wasn't no blacks or asians in this part of the world in this time period. The devs wanted this game to be historically accurate from the beginning, so that's not an excuse to not include certain groups of minorities in the game. Regardless of the historical accuracy, they don't need to include any group just for the sake of representation.

And I'm not debating that. In fact I said, it's their choice, it's fine.

I just pointed out that if diversity was important to this dev they could have kept the time period, european setting and historic accuracy while still having diverse characters.  'Historic accuracy' is not the right argument here. It's 'We didn't want to.' And that's fine.

*facepalm*



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nem on 21 February 2018

I think it was bait and you took it.

I'm tired of talking about race presence numbers in games and movies. It's dumb. I don't care.

The creators should tell the story they want how they want and that's that. People who want to talk racism or sexism in worlds that aren't real can go jump off a cliff, cause i don't care one bit about what they have to say. It's just nonsense.



DonFerrari on 21 February 2018
Vincoletto said:
DonFerrari said:

Next we should make a viking games where the vikings are all black, hispanic and Asian female lesbian... with white males being slaves... of course that is very accurate historic telling.

You freaking racist facist taxist fashionist, what about the native americans and native latin americans, you think you are better than them to exclude them from your game idea? I hope you never touch a development studio in your life!

Owwww how could I forget of the vikings who originated from Peru or Texas... how silly of me, please pardon me.

Vincoletto said:
RolStoppable said:
More recently, he wore the same T-shirt depicting an album cover by the band Burzum every day at Gamescom 2017 - a very visible time for him and his game. Burzum is the work of one man: Varg Vikernes, a convicted murderer and outspoken voice on racial purity and supremacy. He even identified as a Nazi for a while.

I like Pantera. They are white. They are from the south, they are from the Texas and like the confederate flag. And Phil while drunk or on drugs made the nazi salute on a concert.

Therefore its ok to suspect I may be a Nazi.

And you dare preach to me just above =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Areym on 21 February 2018

This might get me a slap in the wrist but it's usually whites who just have to come to the rescue of minorities and people of color in all walks of life, like they have some moral obligation and to seem 'woke.'

On a less racy note, the reviewer is reaching, hard. Times were kinda awful for most people who were not white males, that's just the times. This game is being as accurate as it can be, it was the culture back then (as far as I'm aware). Focus on the GAME, leave your own politics out of it (unless it is something that is REALLY offensive for the sake of it)

There are real problems with inequality, sexism and racism in the world, banging thots on a game isn't one of them.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

COKTOE on 21 February 2018
Darwinianevolution said:
estebxx said:

So the guy is complaining because a game that apparently is trying to be historically accuarate doesnt have people of colour in a place at a time period where there wasnt any "people of colour"?, god do i hate SJWs.

This reminds me of that time when Kotaku asked for women invading Normandy Beach in Saving Private Ryan just for diversity sake.

Why does Patricia Hernandez keep getting paid for this? XD

Oh my sweet Jesus.....I don't want to believe that's a real thing. Fucking insufferable.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

estebxx on 21 February 2018
Pemalite said:
estebxx said:

So the guy is complaining because a game that apparently is trying to be historically accuarate doesnt have people of colour in a place at a time period where there wasnt any "people of colour"?, god do i hate SJWs.

Those who whinge and complain about Social Justice Warriors are just as bad as Social Justice Warriors themselves.
Give less of a crap, life will be easier that way.

Oh dont worry i normally dont give a shit about this guys (in fact i just laugh at their insanity and move on), but it turns out that after all this years of listening to their crap i cant even take out 2 minutes of my time to leave my opinion on the matter for once, because apparently that makes me as bad as the lunatics who have gone as far as to get people fired from their jobs, because they said or did something they didnt like.

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estebxx on 21 February 2018
Shadow1980 said:
estebxx said:

Also i hate the term "people of colour", is white no longer a colour or what?

In the U.S. (and apparently also the UK) "colored" was a term used to describe non-whites as far back as the mid 19th century, perhaps earlier, though by the Jim Crow era it was used almost exclusive for black people. It fell out of favor after the successes of the Civil Rights Movement, though it still remains in use as the "C" in the NAACP's full name. Even then, "person of color" in its current use actually dates back several decades, and has antecedents going back well over a century ago. It wasn't some 21st century neologism invented to be the latest "PC" term.

Well i learned something new today, thanks.



DonFerrari on 21 February 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
I can only hope they did that solely for clicks. Otherwise... WTF? Complaining about a historic game being historically accurate is about as retarded as it gets!

Well look at the Kotaku review about Private Ryan that was posted here... they will complain about history accuracy being less important than having quotas for ethnics on movies.

estebxx said:
Pemalite said:

Those who whinge and complain about Social Justice Warriors are just as bad as Social Justice Warriors themselves.
Give less of a crap, life will be easier that way.

Oh dont worry i normally dont give a shit about this guys (in fact i just laugh at their insanity and move on), but it turns out that after all this years of listening to their crap i cant even take out 2 minutes of my time to leave my opinion on the matter for once, because apparently that makes me as bad as the lunatics who have gone as far as to get people fired from their jobs, because they said or did something they didnt like.

Now you can learn that not liking people pestering you is worse than pestering others.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."