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The whole bias discussion makes no sense because Amazon only gives rankings, not quantities.

On COMG we can tell if there is a bias because they dont only tell us the rankings but also the exact number of pre-orders so we can compare that to actual sales.

On Amazon we have no idea how close each ranking is in terms of units sold. For example

January Amazon rankings
NSW-13, 17
PS4-34, 53, 63
XBO-52, 68, 85

13 & 17 could be 8000 & 7000 units for a total of 15,000

34, 53 & 63 could be 5500, 4500 & 2500 for a total of 12,500

52, 68 & 85 could be 4700, 2300 & 2000 for a total of 9000.

Now lets say NPD figures for January are

NSW-300k
PS4-250k
XBO-180k

That would make the Amazon % of NPD totals the same for each console which would result in no bias.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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Nuvendil said:
JRPGfan said:

Hasnt been in and out of stock, if it was its drop wouldnt be as drastic.
its legit been sold out on amazon for like a week or two.

Switch even when it was sold out, usually got a new batch of switch units every few days... that was in and out of stock.
PS4 is just been out of stock.

Theory could be their trying to sell off the last of a bundle or something, before they introduce a new one.

Sony could be reducing shipments.  Amazon also may have effed up.  Amazon seems to be doing that lately, their supply of consoles seems to periodically get uncharacteristically low compared to their size.  

Yes, this seems to have been inexplicable. For a while, it has been hard to tell what consoles are actually in stock.

Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
p0isonparadise said:
Month AMAZON NPD
December 2017 Switch Switch
November 2017 Xbox One PS4
October 2017 Switch Switch
September 2017 Switch Switch
August 2017 Switch Switch
July 2017 Switch Switch
June 2017 PS4 PS4
May 2017 Switch PS4
April 2017 Switch Switch
March 2017 Switch Switch
February 2017 PS4 PS4
January 2017 PS4 PS4
December 2016 PS4 PS4
November 2016 PS4 PS4
October 2016 PS4 Xbox One
September 2016 PS4 Xbox One
August 2016 Xbox One Xbox One
July 2016 PS4 3DS
June 2016 PS4 PS4
May 2016 PS4 PS4
April 2016 PS4 PS4
March 2016 PS4 PS4
February 2016 PS4 PS4
January 2016 PS4 PS4
December 2015 PS4 PS4
November 2015 PS4 PS4
October 2015 PS4 Xbox One
September 2015 PS4 PS4
August 2015 PS4 PS4
July 2015 PS4 PS4
June 2015 PS4 PS4
May 2015 PS4 PS4
April 2015 Xbox One Xbox One
March 2015 PS4 PS4
February 2015 PS4 3DS
January 2015 PS4 PS4
December 2014 Xbox One Xbox One
November 2014 Xbox One Xbox One
October 2014 PS4 PS4
September 2014 PS4 PS4
August 2014 PS4 PS4
July 2014 PS4 PS4
June 2014 PS4 PS4
May 2014 PS4 PS4
April 2014 PS4 PS4
March 2014 PS4 PS4
February 2014 PS4 PS4
January 2014 PS4 PS4
December 2013 Xbox One 3DS

 

Amazon has been correct 41/49 months (85%) of the time. 

 

Good work !!!

 

 

 

 

 

I know why you did this, but a pie chart of all consoles that encompasses won Amazon-Won NPD and Won Amazon-Lost NPD might finally put these "Amazon is useless" debates to rest.



Do we get NPD rankings today? Where is the discussion thread?



Megiddo said:
Do we get NPD rankings today? Where is the discussion thread?

Yes, they are today.

The person who usually does the thread is on vacation for the next week, i assume somebody else will make a thread in the next few hours.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I don't understand how Amazon is biased towards Nintendo. There were 3 times that the 3DS won NPD but lost Amazon. Ever since the Switch launch when it won Amazon it won NPD. So does that mean Americans are biased towards Nintendo?



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pikashoe said:
According to some people everything is biased towards nintendo. Nintendo game gets good reviews, apparently critics are all biased. Nintendo console sells well on Amazon, apparently Amazon is biased towards nintendo. Some people seem incapable of giving nintendo any credit.

True that.

 

Btw Zelda is 45$ on amazon if some of you haven't played it already.



jason1637 said:
I don't understand how Amazon is biased towards Nintendo. There were 3 times that the 3DS won NPD but lost Amazon. Ever since the Switch launch when it won Amazon it won NPD. So does that mean Americans are biased towards Nintendo?

Amazon had Switch winning 8 months last year, NPD had it winning 7 of those 8 months so you are correct, no bias.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

 

zorg1000 said:

Amazon is biased!!!!

 

JSG87 said:
Lmao this Amazon v npd chart really puts those "Amazon is biased towards Nintendo Switch" lines to rest.

 

pikashoe said:
According to some people everything is biased towards nintendo. Nintendo game gets good reviews, apparently critics are all biased. Nintendo console sells well on Amazon, apparently Amazon is biased towards nintendo. Some people seem incapable of giving nintendo any credit.

 

OTBWY said:

The Nintendo bonussssss

:P

Yeah it's bullshit and they only say that when it doesn't fit their bias.

 

jason1637 said:
I don't understand how Amazon is biased towards Nintendo. There were 3 times that the 3DS won NPD but lost Amazon. Ever since the Switch launch when it won Amazon it won NPD. So does that mean Americans are biased towards Nintendo?

 

zorg1000 said:
jason1637 said:
I don't understand how Amazon is biased towards Nintendo. There were 3 times that the 3DS won NPD but lost Amazon. Ever since the Switch launch when it won Amazon it won NPD. So does that mean Americans are biased towards Nintendo?

Amazon had Switch winning 8 months last year, NPD had it winning 7 of those 8 months so you are correct, no bias.

I'll repost this

October

Amazon:

PS4 - 71st
NSW - 7th 8th 9th
XB1 - -

NPD:

PS4 - 205k
NSW - 300k
XB1 - 130k

Note: 3 Switch consoles above the PS4 way up the charts. Even if the PS4 was at 10th, it should translate into a 3:1 ratio in favour of the Switch... it's not.

September

Amazon:

PS4 - 47th 65th 68th
NSW - 15th 32nd
XB1 - -

NPD:

PS4 - 305k
NSW - 308k
XB1 - 175k

Note: 2 Switch consoles way ahead of the PS4 and yet the month ended virtually in a tie

August

Amazon:

PS4 - 26th 60th
NSW - 13th 21st
XB1 - 52nd 93rd

NPD:

PS4 - 190k
NSW - 215k
XB1 - 116k

Note: Switch has 2 consoles above PS4 with one PS4 console ranking way down the charts at 60th but only translates into a 25k lead


July

Amazon:

PS4 - 4th 82nd
NSW - 7th 9th
XB1 - 6th 63rd

NPD:

PS4 - 217k
NSW - 222k
XB1 - -

PS4 had one console in the top 10 with one way way down the charts at 82nd. Switch had 2 in the top 10 but still ended in very close.


June

Amazon:

PS4 - 19th 30th 58th 98th
NSW - 22nd 55th
XB1 - -

NPD:

PS4 - 381k
NSW - 215k
XB1 - 153k

Note: Probably well represented this month


May

Amazon:

PS4 - 13th 72nd 92nd
NSW - 12th 17th
XB1 - 

NPD:

PS4 - 187k
NSW - 165k
XB1 - 109k

Note: Could be seen as a Switch win but PS4 takes it.

 

Of course these numbers can be interpreted in different ways but to me Amazon over-represents the Switch. It also seems that the offset of Switch sales leaning towards Amazon increase over the months.

 

To add

RolStoppable said: 
I know that the topic has been discussed a lot previously, but since there's a general lack of interesting threads this weekend, I want to throw in my two cents on Amazon's inaccuracy in late 2017.

Both of those months had major nationwide deals. November had a $199 PS4, December had a $189 Xbox One. Simply put, those were unique circumstances that led to unusual results regarding Amazon being a good indicator for hardware sales ranking in NPD. If those circumstances don't exist, it's highly probable that Amazon returns to being a good indicator, so all the talk about Amazon being Nintendo-biased is more hope than analysis.

Maybe it's hope for some but I really couldn't care less if Nintendo wins or Sony. I bought up data other than November and December that could indicate a Nintendo bias and I'm 99% sure if Nintendo and Sony were level pegging in the Amazon charts, Sony would come out on top. 

This has nothing to do with me "hoping" about anything but simply the impression I get.

What can cause this bias I believe is the demographic of each fanbase that purchase the consoles. I believe that Nintendo has the highest average age that buy their consoles and I believe that the higher the age range the higher the chance they buy online. 

But this obviously goes the other way. At GameStop I predict the bias would be towards Sony. 

 

also...

Comparing exclusive game rankings (The only chance I can get to compare individual formats between Amazon and NPD) over the last 4 months, Switch games often ranked higher than PS4 and XBO games on Amazon than NPD but the same never occurred with PS4 and XBO games.

also... 

On Amazon UK, comparing the top 10 game rankings with GFK charts over the last 4 weekly charts, Switch games ranked an average of 6 places higher, per game, on Amazon than GFK. PS4 ranked 2 places higher while XBO was pretty much spot on.

 

Now call me a hater if it makes you feel better, but I like the Switch. Check my comment history if it really matters to you. This isn't even trying to downplay Nintendo in any way. Why people need to get upset and leave snide comments instead of discussing is really depressing. It's like you have to all have the same opinions as long as it's Nintendo positive. Even this theory isn't anti-negative but people try to make out it is. People try and make out that you are saying the Amazon charts are useless even though I've probably contributed to these charts 99% more than most of the posters currently on here.

Edit:

I can provide the UK Amazon/GFK comparison if people are interested. It'll be a bitch to type out though



6 hours since last update.

HARDWARE:
#12 NS Neon (up 2)
#23 NS Grey (same)
#37 PSVR Skyrim (down 1)
#42 PS4 Fool's Edition (up 5)
#48 SNES Classic (down 3)
#56 PS4 Pro (down 4)
#59 XB1X (up 3)
#68 XB1 Madden (up 1)
#72 XB1 Minecraft (up 10)

SOFTWARE (Pre-orders Only)**:
Nothing at the moment

Does not affect this month: *
Software outside of the month only gets added if it's in the top 20: **


PS4: 2 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 0 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10 / 0 in the top 5
XB1: 3 in the top 100 / 0 in the top 50 / 0 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10 / 0 in the top 5
NIS:  2 in the top 100 / 2 in the top 50 / 1 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10 / 0 in the top 5

PS4 is in stock.



SWORDF1SH said:
So are people ready to put the money where their mouth is. Based on Amazon chart rankings and only based on the rankings, how much will each console sell in the January NPD.

Amazon chart for January

Nintendo Switch (neon): #13
SNES Classic: #15
Nintendo Switch (grey): #17
PS4 Slim 1TB standalone: #34
XBO S Forza Horizon 3 Hot Wheels bundle: #52
PS4 Slim Battlefront II bundle: #53
PS4 Pro: #63
Xbox One X: #68
XBO S 500GB standalone: #85†

Nobody????