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monocle_layton said:
Jumpin said:

Of course this is a conspiracy of the Hillary Clinton administration.

He doesn’t fit the profile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember making a thread pointing out r/The_Donald users were calling the vegas shooting a conspiracy AFTER seeing he's white. Prior to that, they were having a fiesta on how muslims must now be removed lmao

 

Not sure if I can find the thread, but it was a goldmine. Some people criticized me for it as well 

This time, the identity of the shooter was already revealed very quickly, so that's why no one is saying he's a Muslim.

The guy is obviously an Antifa member:
http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/



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setsunatenshi said:
Frank_kc said:

So the guy goes into a rampage to kill people because he feels like it... and you wont consider it a terrorist  attack because you believe it should be tied to a political reason? It is the hypocrisy of defining the things the way you see it fit.... (and I know it is how it it defined in WIKI), but who decided so? using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians should be considered a terrorist  attack because it terrorizes civilians regardless of the motive. Wouldnt you be afraid and terrorized if you have been in the middle of something similar? Would you think about he political motive in the middle of this or you just want to survive?

IRA is irrelvant to discussion by the way....

 

You are confusing the real meaning of the word terrorism, to the new age use of this word that basically labels everything a specific group of people disapproves of as terrorism.

Terrorism IS only when the goal is to act some specific political or ideological change through the use of violence. Governments usually label as terrorists all kinds of groups that are fighting them, though in my personal oppinion, if these groups go after soft targets, then yes, I would label them terrorists. If they go after military or government targets I would rather call them enemy combatents.

Terrorist acts have a goal they want to achieve. A rando just shooting people in a crowd with no specific ideological goal only makes him a mental case (no matter how scary that thought could personally be)

The IRA was labeled for several years as a terrorist organization. How is that irrelevant? They wanted political change and used violence to achieve their goal. That is terrorism.

 

On a last note, you seem to be making some sort of emotional argument here, which missed the whole point of when something is or isn't terrorism.

It is not emotional.... i am only trying to make a point here that wording (Even definition of some words like Terrorism) can be twisted to serve some groups or parties interest where such a thing can be only tied to a specific group or groups The word should not be tied to a political view as long as it causes panic, pain, terror to civilians.

On a second note, it seems like the attacker has some kind of agenda... would you believe that any one will call him a terrorist in media based on the generic interpretation of the word terrorist? i bet you not....

 

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/



Frank_kc said:
setsunatenshi said:

You are confusing the real meaning of the word terrorism, to the new age use of this word that basically labels everything a specific group of people disapproves of as terrorism.

Terrorism IS only when the goal is to act some specific political or ideological change through the use of violence. Governments usually label as terrorists all kinds of groups that are fighting them, though in my personal oppinion, if these groups go after soft targets, then yes, I would label them terrorists. If they go after military or government targets I would rather call them enemy combatents.

Terrorist acts have a goal they want to achieve. A rando just shooting people in a crowd with no specific ideological goal only makes him a mental case (no matter how scary that thought could personally be)

The IRA was labeled for several years as a terrorist organization. How is that irrelevant? They wanted political change and used violence to achieve their goal. That is terrorism.

 

On a last note, you seem to be making some sort of emotional argument here, which missed the whole point of when something is or isn't terrorism.

It is not emotional.... i am only trying to make a point here that wording (Even definition of some words like Terrorism) can be twisted to serve some groups or parties interest where such a thing can be only tied to a specific group or groups The word should not be tied to a political view as long as it causes panic, pain, terror to civilians.

On a second note, it seems like the attacker has some kind of agenda... would you believe that any one will call him a terrorist in media based on the generic interpretation of the word terrorist? i bet you not.... 

 

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

So there you have it... if he had some specifical political agenda then he IS a terrorist. I don't see what's the question even.

Sometimes it takes a few days to even establish what the motive was, so there's nothing wrong with reserving judgement before throwing labels.

 

Now the more interesting debate (for me personally) is, why the hell can any random joe in the street get easy access to military style weaponry? I'm pretty sure he would have a very hard time trying to murder a crowd of people with a knife.

This shit looks absolutely insane for any person outside of the US.



Flilix said:
monocle_layton said:

I remember making a thread pointing out r/The_Donald users were calling the vegas shooting a conspiracy AFTER seeing he's white. Prior to that, they were having a fiesta on how muslims must now be removed lmao

 

Not sure if I can find the thread, but it was a goldmine. Some people criticized me for it as well 

This time, the identity of the shooter was already revealed very quickly, so that's why no one is saying he's a Muslim.

The guy is obviously an Antifa member:
http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

You do realise YourNewsWire is well known for posting fake stories? It's a satirical propaganda site. 

Last edited by FIT_Gamer - on 06 November 2017

FIT_Gamer said:
Flilix said:

This time, the identity of the shooter was already revealed very quickly, so that's why no one is saying he's a Muslim.

The guy is obviously an Antifa member:
http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

You do realise YourNewsWire is well known for posting fake stories? It's a propaganda site. 

I'm not familiar with the site, but I'm well-aware that it's fake news.

The Facebook post was hilarious though. "Ran to the front and draped ANTIFA flag over pulpit. Said this was communist revolution. pulled out copy of Das Kapital and demanded people quote specific sections. anyone who messed up got shot."



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Flilix said:
FIT_Gamer said:

You do realise YourNewsWire is well known for posting fake stories? It's a propaganda site. 

I'm not familiar with the site, but I'm well-aware that it's fake news.

The Facebook post was hilarious though. "Ran to the front and draped ANTIFA flag over pulpit. Said this was communist revolution. pulled out copy of Das Kapital and demanded people quote specific sections. anyone who messed up got shot."

It's crazy how many people will believe anything they read. Especially from a site that has been discredited as many times as they have.

The funniest thing about that site is it's full of ultra conservative bat shit crazy bigoted conspiracist, and the site owned by a gay couple. 



Because this is such a "normal" and common occurrence in the USA... You have a mass shooting clock.
http://www.dayssincethelastmassshooting.com/

It seems on average the USA is having a massacre (I.E. More than 4 people shot dead) almost on a monthly basis, that's mind boggling to someone who lives in a country that hasn't had such a thing in like 20 years. (Gun control works.)



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Frank_kc said:
setsunatenshi said:

You are confusing the real meaning of the word terrorism, to the new age use of this word that basically labels everything a specific group of people disapproves of as terrorism.

Terrorism IS only when the goal is to act some specific political or ideological change through the use of violence. Governments usually label as terrorists all kinds of groups that are fighting them, though in my personal oppinion, if these groups go after soft targets, then yes, I would label them terrorists. If they go after military or government targets I would rather call them enemy combatents.

Terrorist acts have a goal they want to achieve. A rando just shooting people in a crowd with no specific ideological goal only makes him a mental case (no matter how scary that thought could personally be)

The IRA was labeled for several years as a terrorist organization. How is that irrelevant? They wanted political change and used violence to achieve their goal. That is terrorism.

 

On a last note, you seem to be making some sort of emotional argument here, which missed the whole point of when something is or isn't terrorism.

It is not emotional.... i am only trying to make a point here that wording (Even definition of some words like Terrorism) can be twisted to serve some groups or parties interest where such a thing can be only tied to a specific group or groups The word should not be tied to a political view as long as it causes panic, pain, terror to civilians.

On a second note, it seems like the attacker has some kind of agenda... would you believe that any one will call him a terrorist in media based on the generic interpretation of the word terrorist? i bet you not.... 

 

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

The comment section is pretty cancerous. 



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Another psychopath going on a shooting rampage in the USA.
Governments must take action to stop future attacks with 24/7 around the clock security with a strong police and military presence. The cost to tax payers for extra security does not matter, small price to pay for security.

Or just outlaw gun's, and start getting them off the streets?

And invest time&money in hunting down those that sell them on the black markets.

Suddenly gun violence rates would drop to near nothing.



NawaiNey said:
A godless atheist strikes again...

That's a redundant statement.