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ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
ChaosReich said:

Shit bro, when the fuck did he say that! Thats horrendously ignorant and biased as fuck. That top statement makes me so mad for a few reasons. Firstly, youve no idea the quality of those other "inferior" games if you havent played them and judging from your fanboy tone, you havent. Secondly, i dont own the Wii U or the Switch but because im logical, free thinking and not butt fucked by some cringey need to be a fanboy, i can absolutely see that those two platforms have some amazing looking games yet you claim that AAA publishers could put all their best games, not a few, ALL and it wouldnt matter cause Nintendo has higher quality games............what in the absolute fuck kinda dumb statement is that. Dark Souls, Witcher 3, Doom, Ratchet and Clank, Forza, these are all AAA games that i imagine can stand shoulder to shoulder with your Mario and Zelda and Star Fox and Mario Kart etc.

 

Dude, if you are going to be a blithering idiot fanboy, make your own thread and jerk all your friends off, i want a thread free of that elementary school behavior.

I am so confident in what I say that I explicitly ask the mod team to not ban you for your posts.

If you don't believe me, look up the sales of Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, FIFA, Madden, Darksiders, Mass Effect etc. on Wii U. If Nintendo games can pummel Call of Duty like that, then the only thing that could pose a challenge would be Grand Theft Auto. But even then, a single third party game wouldn't knock Nintendo's portfolio into an area where Nintendo would be forced to change their pricing strategy.

Ratchet & Clank is a Sony IP, Forza is a Microsoft IP. Not only did you not bother to actually look up sales data to verify how valid my claim is, you aren't even doing enough fact-checking to know what is a third party game and what is not.

ChaosReich said:
Also to that Nintendo weirdo Rol or whatever, A LOT of amazing games and movies etc fly under the radar and dont get sales that their experience deserves. You cant be THAT thick to think that if a game sells poor its poor whereas if a game sells good its good, sure that happens the majority of the time but there are still a lot of times where it doesnt.

There is a common argument that sales = quality, but there are flaws with it:

1. Good games can fly under the radar, so bad sales do not necessarily mean low quality.

2. Hype distorts true market reception, meaning that bad games can become million sellers in week 1. So good sales do not necessarily mean high quality.

However, good long term sales are a testament to high quality without exception. Bad games can't sell for months and years because it becomes known that they are bad games. The correct argument is that long term sales = quality.

Nintendo did not survive as a console manufacturer for nothing. People specifically buy Nintendo consoles to play the games of only one specific software publisher and that's why it's fair to say that Nintendo games have higher quality and higher value than anybody else's games. If you disagree, make a list of software publishers that could realistically have a sustained presence as a console manufacturer primarily based on their own software output.

Why the hell would i be banned, i was just expressing anger at a close minded individual. 

Anyways, good points and arguments, im liking that logic of how truly bad games wont maintain long term sales and i agree with you my man.

 

To your first point, im not debating the sales record of certain AAA games on your platform, im countering your uninformed opinion that ALL AAA games are worse in quality then what Nintendo has to offer and for that, i couldnt care less for your sales record. Doom sold wayyyyyyyy worse than the most recent COD yet Doom was wayyyyyyy more fun and better and innovative all together, so theres some sales record shenanigans. You made a dumbass claim that not one single AAA game could stand toe to toe with anything Nintendo has to offer in terms of quality.......what if we banned you for being absolutely fucking deranged, cause youde have to be to make statements such as that.

 

Please better explain your confusion about me using Ratchet and Forza. I was using them to show you that each console has its fair share of QUALITY games.



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Darashiva on 01 November 2017

It's just what Nintendo does with their games. It's one of the reasons why I'm somewhat put off from buying Nintendo console's early in their lifecycles in favour of something like the PS4. I always feel like that even though I could get one or two great Nintendo games like Zelda and mario on the Switch right now, I can get three or four great games released around the same time on the PS4 for the same price.



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ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
Here are software sales numbers for Wii U, taken from VGC.

Nintendo Top 5

1. Mario Kart 8 - 7.49m
2. New Super Mario Bros. U - 5.47m
3. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - 5.05m
4. Super Mario 3D World - 4.80m
5. Splatoon - 4.71m

AAA Third Party Top 5

1. FIFA 13 - 0.48m
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 - 0.41m
3. Batman: Arkham City - 0.37m
4. Assassin's Creed 3 - 0.35m
5. Call of Duty: Ghosts - 0.35m

Does that look like third parties could be a threat to the pricing of Nintendo games?

LOOK AT THEIR OVER ALL SALES. Maybe nintendo products appeal to a different type of customer, hence most of nintendos users not buying "outside" products. But you really want to use Black Ops 2 as your example for bad quality........i........

 

Listen here, you stated that quality in video games was shown through sales (im para phrasing). So, what does it show then when Black Ops outsold Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Zelda (every fucking one).......i can keep going. You claimed Nintendo had absolutely better quality games then any AAA dev on other platforms, you are dumb and ignorant as shit/poop/excrement (get my drift ya wacko) and should be banned wayyyy before my offensive rude ass. 

 

Side note, i hated Black Ops 2



ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
ChaosReich said:

Why the hell would i be banned, i was just expressing anger at a close minded individual. 

Anyways, good points and arguments, im liking that logic of how truly bad games wont maintain long term sales and i agree with you my man.

To your first point, im not debating the sales record of certain AAA games on your platform, im countering your uninformed opinion that ALL AAA games are worse in quality then what Nintendo has to offer and for that, i couldnt care less for your sales record. Doom sold wayyyyyyyy worse than the most recent COD yet Doom was wayyyyyyy more fun and better and innovative all together, so theres some sales record shenanigans. You made a dumbass claim that not one single AAA game could stand toe to toe with anything Nintendo has to offer in terms of quality.......what if we banned you for being absolutely fucking deranged, cause youde have to be to make statements such as that.

Please better explain your confusion about me using Ratchet and Forza. I was using them to show you that each console has its fair share of QUALITY games.

You made a thread to ask why Nintendo games hold their value so well, so sales data cannot be ignored. If Nintendo games have the best sales, then it's not Nintendo who is in a position that necessitates price cuts on software. The next question is why do Nintendo games have the best sales and the answer to that is that Nintendo makes the most desirable games, i.e. the best games. Sales data is the collection of the opinions of the market. It's arrogant of you to put your very own opinion above everyone else's.

I posted some sales data in the post above your reply.

Sales data is not an applicable argument for the legitamacy of said sales lol, you do get that right. I cant even.....actually, i have no idea how to even explain the obviousness of such flawed thinking.

 

I am not claiming that Nintendo games are bad, in fact mr. Weirdo fanboy kid, i think that A LOT of Nintendo games look fuckin amazing and fun. Yet my question still remained when considering the fact that games like Witcher 3 and Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn etc plummet in price while Nintendo games 5 years older stay at a steady $50.

Your Einstein answer was the all those games must pale in comparison when considering quality and all i have to say to that 10 year old boy response is "get the fuck outta here kid, there are jungle gyms filled with your deluded kind, go indoctrinate yourself there".



ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
ChaosReich said:

LOOK AT THEIR OVER ALL SALES. Maybe nintendo products appeal to a different type of customer, hence most of nintendos users not buying "outside" products. But you really want to use Black Ops 2 as your example for bad quality........i........

Listen here, you stated that quality in video games was shown through sales (im para phrasing). So, what does it show then when Black Ops outsold Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Zelda (every fucking one).......i can keep going. You claimed Nintendo had absolutely better quality games then any AAA dev on other platforms, you are dumb and ignorant as shit/poop/excrement (get my drift ya wacko) and should be banned wayyyy before my offensive rude ass. 

Side note, i hated Black Ops 2

The overall sales of multiplatform titles don't matter regarding the questions you've been asking. Each console manufacturer has their own closed ecosystem, so CoD and other AAA third parties only have their Nintendo SKU compete against Nintendo's games. Nintendo curbstomps AAA third party software.

Dude, you better get me banned cause if not, i will haunt you as much as i can. This site doesnt need kids like you tainting it with delusion, fanboy gaydom, general stupidity and general........STUPIDTY. You are a monument to people who cant behave rationally, which is ironic because i seem like i am outpacing you in drastic responses and irrational behavior but the kicker is that you actually deserve it, so i give it cause guess what, your responses have terrible quality and they smell of desperation.



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ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
ChaosReich said:

Sales data is not an applicable argument for the legitamacy of said sales lol, you do get that right. I cant even.....actually, i have no idea how to even explain the obviousness of such flawed thinking.

I am not claiming that Nintendo games are bad, in fact mr. Weirdo fanboy kid, i think that A LOT of Nintendo games look fuckin amazing and fun. Yet my question still remained when considering the fact that games like Witcher 3 and Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn etc plummet in price while Nintendo games 5 years older stay at a steady $50.

Your Einstein answer was the all those games must pale in comparison when considering quality and all i have to say to that 10 year old boy response is "get the fuck outta here kid, there are jungle gyms filled with your deluded kind, go indoctrinate yourself there".

I suppose the truth hurts.

Every company would love to have their games stay at the original RRP for a long time, but they are usually forced to move into lower price brackets if they don't want to be completely forgotten. Maybe it helps if you think about games in two categories:

1. THE game to get.
2. Just another game.

A game that fits into category 1 can maintain a high price and high sales. Games of category 2 need to slash their prices to remain alive.

Nintendo just so happens to make more category 1 games than anybody else, so they can have both high software prices and high back catalogue sales.

I have so much to say against your dumbass but i can tell from people who have been here way longer then me that you are just generally stupid and ignorantly biased so i dont really care. You are not worth my unvaluable time.......thats sad but true. Get the fuck outta my thread, i love free speech but i hate stupidity so that completely rules you out.

If you feel so inclined ya faggot, make a thread about me in some weird "i am butthurt cause i think someone hates Nintendo" thread. I dont give a shit, just please get the hella outta my thread ya nutjob

 

 

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ChaosReich on 01 November 2017
RolStoppable said:
ChaosReich said:

Dude, you better get me banned cause if not, i will haunt you as much as i can. This site doesnt need kids like you tainting it with delusion, fanboy gaydom, general stupidity and general........STUPIDTY. You are a monument to people who cant behave rationally, which is ironic because i seem like i am outpacing you in drastic responses and irrational behavior but the kicker is that you actually deserve it, so i give it cause guess what, your responses have terrible quality and they smell of desperation.

Hm... having you as sort of a sidekick doesn't sound so bad.

If i was your sidekick id kick you in the side HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, get it???

 

Probably not cause you is stupid



The_Yoda on 01 November 2017
couchmonkey said:
caffeinade said:
Nintendo does not want to reduce the value of their games; not just in terms of monetary value.
They don't want to taint the image of their IPs, by selling the games at a lower price.
Doing this they can train their consumers to perceive their games as higher value, because they paid more for them.

The rigid pricing structure and the way they space out the releases in a franchise; adds to the perception of quality that their titles excrete.
It does them no harm that their games are really well designed too.

This sums up my thoughts.  For once I slightly disagree with Rol.  While Nintendo does generally produce higher-than-average quality products, I think their pricing structure also trains customers that, regardless of perceived quality, you might as well pony up the cash right away if you're at all excited about the game.

Almost everyone else in the industry (probably there are exceptions, maybe Blizzard) follows the cycle below, which the observant cheapo can exploit, and which is designed for maximum milkage of hardcore gamers.

1. Release at full price (maybe with a premium package too)
2. Release DLC
3. Release a "Complete" retail version with DLC (hello Horizon Zero Dawn and Street Fighter V)
4. Dump the price

It tends to happen like clockwork, sometimes they might skip step 3 if the game sucks / sells bad, but the industry is so confident in this model that they just keep doing it even when a game is good enough to survive at full price for a while (I'd say HZD could have stayed at full price).  I'd argue it's a mistake, but to be honest, it seems to have worked for more than a decade so maybe it's a good business move?

For me personally, I will not buy most industry games at full price anymore because it's only 12-24 months until you reach step 4.  If the game is a real quality title, it will still be fun two years later, and it will cost you half of the original retail price and maybe even less than quarter of the cost including the price of DLC.

These two posters get it.
The price in the "sold new" market is pretty much all Nintendo's doing because they want to protect the perceived value of their software.
I would guess this also has an effect in the secondary market as new copies are still near full MSRP and a second hand retailer can get away with charging more. 
This is not to take away from the quality of the titles, if they were not well designed (for the most part) then this strategy of Nintendo would fail miserably.  It sometimes leaves me shaking my head though, six months ago i saw a copy of Metroid Other M still selling for $50 at Wal Mart.



Platina on 01 November 2017

Nintendo just doesn't lower the price so it remains high :/



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Lawlight on 01 November 2017
Platina said:
Nintendo just doesn't lower the price so it remains high :/

Nintendo have usually been late in adopting industry standards. This could well be just one of them. I mean they sold Super Mario Run for $10 and expected casuals to gobble it up (something they would usually expect from their core fans) and are now unhappy with its sales.