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Who do your want to win?

CDU/CSU 31 10.69%
 
SPD 23 7.93%
 
Left 30 10.34%
 
Greens 12 4.14%
 
FDP 17 5.86%
 
AfD 59 20.34%
 
another one of the parties on ballot 6 2.07%
 
a party not on ballot 6 2.07%
 
no one 17 5.86%
 
see results 89 30.69%
 
Total:290
Lafiel said:
StarOcean said:
So they gave a neo-Nazi party a platform e.e good job, Germany

yea the AFD (which is comprised of a few outright neo-Nazis and quite a number of people that are fine with being in the same party as neo-Nazis) did much better than I hoped

afaik you guys have a similar party and I hope it does much worse in 2018/2020

And which party is that?



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LurkerJ said:
Lafiel said:

yea the AFD (which is comprised of a few outright neo-Nazis and quite a number of people that are fine with being in the same party as neo-Nazis) did much better than I hoped

afaik you guys have a similar party and I hope it does much worse in 2018/2020

And which party is that?

I'm going to assume he means the party that's primarily voted for and praised by the KKK and other Neo nazi groups. Which would be the Republican Party.



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vivster said:
LurkerJ said:

And which party is that?

I'm going to assume he means the party that's primarily voted for and praised by the KKK and other Neo nazi groups. Which would be the Republican Party.

The Republican party needs to split into 2 parties, honestly. With how conflicting their values are sometimes. So do the Democrats. Who need to decide if they're left or right wing. The 2 party political system is a disaster for this country



StarOcean said:
vivster said:

I'm going to assume he means the party that's primarily voted for and praised by the KKK and other Neo nazi groups. Which would be the Republican Party.

The Republican party needs to split into 2 parties, honestly. With how conflicting their values are sometimes. So do the Democrats. Who need to decide if they're left or right wing. The 2 party political system is a disaster for this country

Definitely. But it won't happen because neither party wants to lose elections. If one of the parties splits and the other doesn't it's gonna be a disaster. So people have to live with the fact that both parties will try to cater to the extremists and moderates at the same time. And thanks to a voting system that shits on the very principals of democracy 3rd parties won't have a chance in the first place.

Politics in the US is a complete joke and an insult to democracy itself. It degenerated to nothing more than entertainment with rabid fans on both sides that don't play around with a football but with actual human lives. It's not about policy, it's only about winning, or at least the other side losing.



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vivster said:
StarOcean said:

The Republican party needs to split into 2 parties, honestly. With how conflicting their values are sometimes. So do the Democrats. Who need to decide if they're left or right wing. The 2 party political system is a disaster for this country

Definitely. But it won't happen because neither party wants to lose elections. If one of the parties splits and the other doesn't it's gonna be a disaster. So people have to live with the fact that both parties will try to cater to the extremists and moderates at the same time. And thanks to a voting system that shits on the very principals of democracy 3rd parties won't have a chance in the first place.

Politics in the US is a complete joke and an insult to democracy itself. It degenerated to nothing more than entertainment with rabid fans on both sides that don't play around with a football but with actual human lives. It's not about policy, it's only about winning, or at least the other side losing.

Hit the nail on the head. In your opinion, had Bernie won, do you think that would have opened the door to a 3rd party? Or do you think that very idea is what led him not to be nominated vs Hillary by the Democrats?



Mnementh said:
solidpumar said:
What you call liberals?
Liberalism or Left wing PC crowd?

The FDP I called liberals are liberals standing for liberalism. Not left.

Indeed, the german liberals are anything but left. Ideologically, they're closest to the right-wing parties AfD and CDU; a bit more left than the AfD, a bit more right than the CDU.



StarOcean said:
vivster said:

Definitely. But it won't happen because neither party wants to lose elections. If one of the parties splits and the other doesn't it's gonna be a disaster. So people have to live with the fact that both parties will try to cater to the extremists and moderates at the same time. And thanks to a voting system that shits on the very principals of democracy 3rd parties won't have a chance in the first place.

Politics in the US is a complete joke and an insult to democracy itself. It degenerated to nothing more than entertainment with rabid fans on both sides that don't play around with a football but with actual human lives. It's not about policy, it's only about winning, or at least the other side losing.

Hit the nail on the head. In your opinion, had Bernie won, do you think that would have opened the door to a 3rd party? Or do you think that very idea is what led him not to be nominated vs Hillary by the Democrats?

I don't think so. As independant as Bernie is, he's still very much associated with the Democrats. I don't think his independant status has anything to do with him being tossed to the sidelines. He just wasn't what the democrat establishment wanted. He was only catering to the left side of the democrats so he couldn't have won either way.

To give 3rd parties any chance whatsoever you would need a complete voting reform and that wouldn't even happen with Bernie as president.



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vivster said:

Politics in the US is a complete joke and an insult to democracy itself. It degenerated to nothing more than entertainment with rabid fans on both sides that don't play around with a football but with actual human lives. It's not about policy, it's only about winning, or at least the other side losing.

But show me a single country above statement does not apply to.

The only country in this world that I am aware which I'd seriously call a "democracy" is Switzerland. But even they have the party rivalries that are so typical for representative party (=fake) democracies.



vivster said:
StarOcean said:

Hit the nail on the head. In your opinion, had Bernie won, do you think that would have opened the door to a 3rd party? Or do you think that very idea is what led him not to be nominated vs Hillary by the Democrats?

I don't think so. As independant as Bernie is, he's still very much associated with the Democrats. I don't think his independant status has anything to do with him being tossed to the sidelines. He just wasn't what the democrat establishment wanted. He was only catering to the left side of the democrats so he couldn't have won either way.

To give 3rd parties any chance whatsoever you would need a complete voting reform and that wouldn't even happen with Bernie as president.

What would allow a 3rd party then? I mean, I suppose even a President couldnt do it cause Congress would block it. So itd have to be Congress. If enough people rallied would there be a chance for one? Even thats low. Nothing short of a revolution could get us one, huh?