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Kerotan said:

Calm down there. 

 

I said if Nintendo want to prevent their gaming market size from declining they need to match those sales combined.  I never said it can't be a success if it sells less.  

 

And considering Switch has the ability to sell numbers equal to the combined totals it's definitely a fair comparison to make.  They are combined platforms into 1 after all. 

This is still dumb and nonsensical. Imagine a company manufactures separate refrigerators and freezers. They sell 500 freezers but only 100 refrigerators. Then they start making joint fridge/freezer units, and sell 550 of those. How can you make the case their “market size” declined without knowing the overlap between fridge & freezer buyers? If 60 of their sold fridges were bought by people who had also bought a freezer, their products were in 540 houses, not 600. They actually expanded their market with the new product.

Suppose also that freezers cost $170 and were sold at a loss while fridges cost $300 and were also sold at a loss, and that the new combined units were sold for a profit for $300. While not strictly related to market share, that would be a pretty significant detail to consider when evaluating the market’s response to these products. It would demonstrate, for example, that 600 sales of the older products (several of those being to repeat customers) would not be preferable to 550 sales of the new product, as not only would the market for accessories to these products be larger, but a greater profit would be made up-front.



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Miyamotoo said:
Goodnightmoon said:

You have been making the point that is an hybrid just to suport your point that it should sell just as much as a Nintendo console and handheld combined to be considered succesful, which is quite absurd.

It is an hybrid, that part alone is pretty much right.

Exatly, despite point that Switch is hybrid, its still one device and one platform, for instance Wii U and 3DS are two totally different platforms, with different price points, different lineup of games, different marketings...so comparing sales of one device and one platform (despite with two totally different platforms) definitely is not best comparison.

 

StarDoor said:

No, people were mocking you because you illogically think that Switch should sell 3DS and Wii U numbers combined.

Agree.

 

 

GhaudePhaede010 said:

So...... my 3DS is a home console since I primarily use it at home as opposed to arcades or other commercial establishment? No. Your definition is incorrect.

Nobody called Wii U a hybrid because it ISN'T a hybrid. A hybrid does not have to offer a full experience, just a combination for a greater experience than the sum of its separated parts.

Well thats meaning of video home console from Wiki, not my definition. But I think that we can agree that home console means console that's used for playing just at home on TV.

Agree that Wii U wasnt hybrid, it was just home console with tablet like controler, but Switch is a hybrid, people calling Switch hybrid because offers full home console experience and full handheld experience in same time.

 

Carl2291 said:

Nobody has ever denied that the Switch itself is a hybrid machine.

Actually you have some people who deny that, even in this thread (post above).

As I already stated, how you play it does not determine what it actually is. The fact that people feel it offers a home console experience does not make it a home console or a hybrid. My laptop can reproduce desktop performance and be hooked up to a monitor or televison... it even came with the cables to do so. Does that somehow make my laptop a hybrid? No. It is just a diverse laptop at best or a reuglar ass laptop to most people.

The non subjective way to determine a hybrid is by its quantifiable physical hardware. It does not have to offer a certain experience to be a hybrid (a hybrid car does not have to offer the same gas mileage as a petrol fueled car in order to be call a hybrid). That is not what determines a hybrid and has never been what determines a hybrid.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

Actually you have some people who deny that, even in this thread (post above).

As I already stated, how you play it does not determine what it actually is. The fact that people feel it offers a home console experience does not make it a home console or a hybrid. My laptop can reproduce desktop performance and be hooked up to a monitor or televison... it even came with the cables to do so. Does that somehow make my laptop a hybrid? No. It is just a diverse laptop at best or a reuglar ass laptop to most people.

The non subjective way to determine a hybrid is by its quantifiable physical hardware. It does not have to offer a certain experience to be a hybrid (a hybrid car does not have to offer the same gas mileage as a petrol fueled car in order to be call a hybrid). That is not what determines a hybrid and has never been what determines a hybrid.

Its not point only how you play or what people feel, but its fact that offer full home console experience and full home handheld experience in one, reagrdles if you will use Switch mostly like home console, or like handheld console mostly, or if you will use both sides equally, that's why most of people are saying that Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, because very obviously its both in one. Switch is from start developed in that way, to offer full home console experience and full handheld experience, that's why you have detachable Joy Cons, thats why you have Dock thats gave image to TV and powers Switch, thats why games in home console mode are working at higher resolution compared to portable mode, that why games are developed to work in two seperate mods, thats why in one second you can change portable to home console mode and continue playing, and of course you have all that right away out of box, and that's why people are calling Switch a hybrid, so it very obvious that Switch isn't just a handheld with HDMI OUT like you want to present it.



the_dengle said:
Kerotan said:

Calm down there. 

 

I said if Nintendo want to prevent their gaming market size from declining they need to match those sales combined.  I never said it can't be a success if it sells less.  

 

And considering Switch has the ability to sell numbers equal to the combined totals it's definitely a fair comparison to make.  They are combined platforms into 1 after all. 

This is still dumb and nonsensical. Imagine a company manufactures separate refrigerators and freezers. They sell 500 freezers but only 100 refrigerators. Then they start making joint fridge/freezer units, and sell 550 of those. How can you make the case their “market size” declined without knowing the overlap between fridge & freezer buyers? If 60 of their sold fridges were bought by people who had also bought a freezer, their products were in 540 houses, not 600. They actually expanded their market with the new product.

Suppose also that freezers cost $170 and were sold at a loss while fridges cost $300 and were also sold at a loss, and that the new combined units were sold for a profit for $300. While not strictly related to market share, that would be a pretty significant detail to consider when evaluating the market’s response to these products. It would demonstrate, for example, that 600 sales of the older products (several of those being to repeat customers) would not be preferable to 550 sales of the new product, as not only would the market for accessories to these products be larger, but a greater profit would be made up-front.

Yes Thank you! Putting his ideas on another market make the idea soo dumb! 

 

This is where it started on a MC thread where he got banned..........



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Jranation said:
the_dengle said:

This is still dumb and nonsensical. Imagine a company manufactures separate refrigerators and freezers. They sell 500 freezers but only 100 refrigerators. Then they start making joint fridge/freezer units, and sell 550 of those. How can you make the case their “market size” declined without knowing the overlap between fridge & freezer buyers? If 60 of their sold fridges were bought by people who had also bought a freezer, their products were in 540 houses, not 600. They actually expanded their market with the new product.

Suppose also that freezers cost $170 and were sold at a loss while fridges cost $300 and were also sold at a loss, and that the new combined units were sold for a profit for $300. While not strictly related to market share, that would be a pretty significant detail to consider when evaluating the market’s response to these products. It would demonstrate, for example, that 600 sales of the older products (several of those being to repeat customers) would not be preferable to 550 sales of the new product, as not only would the market for accessories to these products be larger, but a greater profit would be made up-front.

Yes Thank you! Putting his ideas on another market make the idea soo dumb! 

 

This is where it started on a MC thread where he got banned..........

Instead of bringing up a past ban why don't you put together a good argument to counter my very valid point. 



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Kerotan said:
Jranation said:

Yes Thank you! Putting his ideas on another market make the idea soo dumb! 

 

This is where it started on a MC thread where he got banned..........

Instead of bringing up a past ban why don't you put together a good argument to counter my very valid point. 

I don't see why anyone should bother responding to you at this point. You clearly have no interest in actual discussion, considering how you have ignored every good argument against your "valid" point thus far, including multiple posts within this very thread.



Kerotan said:
Jranation said:

Yes Thank you! Putting his ideas on another market make the idea soo dumb! 

 

This is where it started on a MC thread where he got banned..........

Instead of bringing up a past ban why don't you put together a good argument to counter my very valid point. 

Or how about you reply the Stardoor and the dengle. Clearly lots of people disagrees to your "perspectives". 



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CGI-Quality said:

Yeah, it's getting to that point. Please stay on topic and keep things civil, everyone.

Can you clarify in relation to my posts what's off topic.  Just so I'm aware what can and can't be discussed. 



CGI-Quality said:
Kerotan said:

Can you clarify in relation to my posts what's off topic.  Just so I'm aware what can and can't be discussed. 

It's a General Post, so it's not going after anyone/thing specific. Just follow the request and you should be fine.

Is discussing if switch can or should be compared to 3DS + Wii U ok? 



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