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Forums - Sales Discussion - Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - 28th Aug - 3rd Sep 2017

ryuzaki57 said:

Famitsu is up

https://www.famitsu.com/biz/ranking/

The gap between the PS versions of Nights of Azure 2 and the Switch version is even wider (switch < 13% of total).

Sellthrough is decent for PS4, bad for Vita and Switch.

What happened today is tremendously important : think, what is the point of releasing NoA2 on Switch, apart from the fact that KT must give something in exchange of publishing FE Warriors in Japan (the real reason)? KT is checking if what I call the pure Nintendo audience (people who solely own Nintendo systems) might be interested in their games. And today, the pure Nintendo audience clearly demonstrated its disdain.

But the second phenomenon is that by starting a Switch version (which no one wanted) halfway, they sacrified the PS4 version with a long delay and subpar graphics, this being outrageous to the existing NoA fanbase on PS4/PSV which automatically buy less. Therefore, KT loses on both sides and goes straight into the wall if they pursue that strategy. They must stop the alliance with Nintendo, otherwise they may damage their Gust brand beyond repair.

As a sidenote, very good 2nd week for Shin Yomawari. Probably not trailing too far from the 1st one now. As Yomawari 1 sold several times its costs, the sequel must be good profit for NIS.

So Switch is the one to blame for subpar graphics and not Vita that also has a version and it's inferior than Switch.

On the west it might another Disgaea 5 situation where Switch sakes almost match PS4 despite being a port.

Sales just show that Nights of Azure 2 is a game nobody wanted on any platform  after the 50% drop on PS4 and 70% drop on Vita compared to the past entry.



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Great Switch sales.
Surprised that Everybody's golf went above 100k. Nights of azure bombed.



hiska-kun said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I don't get it. What is Everybody's Golf and why is everyone excited for it?

Regardless, nice to see Splatoon 2 do 50k. I seem to remember it doing consistently 50k-75k, so if it can keep doing that every week it should grow to be one of the biggest titles on Switch. If it did 50k theoretically from now till the end of the year, that would be another 875k right there, making it 1,931,500 in Japan alone. That probably won't happen, but if the holiday sales spike enough it could still do a lot. 

It won't happen because it will sell the double of that.

really depends how much the weekly sales drop and how much the holiday makes up for it. at least another 1.5 mil in Japan is practically guaranteed though xD



Kresnik said:

Nights of Azure comparison:

04./00. [PS4] Yoru no Nai Kuni # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.10.01} (¥7.344) - 35.907 / NEW 
05./00. [PSV] Yoru no Nai Kuni # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.10.01} (¥6.264) - 32.904 / NEW
14./00. [PS3] Yoru no Nai Kuni # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.10.01} (¥7.344) - 10.416 / NEW 

 

Etrian Mystery Dungeon comparison:

02./00. [3DS] Etrian Mystery Dungeon (Atlus) {2015.03.05} (¥7.538) - 65.226 / NEW <91,96%>

 

Two utter bombas there.

Both bombed pretty badly. I cannot understand how anyone can spin any of these numbers as decent. 



 

Vita's biggest new game of the year might be Digimon after all, but since it is a cross release I am not confident it will sell very high.



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hiska-kun said:

If there were no bundles, these would be covered by extra not bundled ones, making the same number of hardware. Then Splatoon 2 standalone numbers would be higher making the same number of this week. 

Switch is selling because Splatoon 2, not the only way around. With or without bundles.

It's still a bit inflated because there's a data that can back it up. What I see here is just speculation on your part. It may not or it may sell the same. This all my opinion and observation until you provide me a concrete data then it's pure conjecture on your part. 

What I am going to do is wait for more weeks.  My main point to begin with is, I am interested, if there's no bundle how will Splatoon will sell.

About the Switch. It's selling out even before Splatoon so it's a far cry to say that Splatoon is the only reason Switch is selling. Where are other factors involved. I can still see Mario Kart and Zelda Selling here.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
hiska-kun said:

If there were no bundles, these would be covered by extra not bundled ones, making the same number of hardware. Then Splatoon 2 standalone numbers would be higher making the same number of this week. 

Switch is selling because Splatoon 2, not the only way around. With or without bundles.

It's still a bit inflated because there's a data that can back it up. What I see here is just speculation on your part. It may not or it may sell the same. This all my opinion and observation until you provide me a concrete data then it's pure conjecture on your part. 

What I am going to do is wait for more weeks.  My main point to begin with is, I am interested, if there's no bundle how will Splatoon will sell.

About the Switch. It's selling out even before Splatoon so it's a far cry to say that Splatoon is the only reason Switch is selling. Where are other factors involved. I can still see Mario Kart and Zelda Selling here.

The data is there. Why is Switch selling well? Because Nights of Azure 2? No, it's selling because Splatoon 2. 

Zelda and Mario were on Wii U, they are not the reason of Switch sales, but the excuse to get the games as well along Splatoon.



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hiska-kun said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Famitsu is up

https://www.famitsu.com/biz/ranking/

The gap between the PS versions of Nights of Azure 2 and the Switch version is even wider (switch < 13% of total).

Sellthrough is decent for PS4, bad for Vita and Switch.

What happened today is tremendously important : think, what is the point of releasing NoA2 on Switch, apart from the fact that KT must give something in exchange of publishing FE Warriors in Japan (the real reason)? KT is checking if what I call the pure Nintendo audience (people who solely own Nintendo systems) might be interested in their games. And today, the pure Nintendo audience clearly demonstrated its disdain.

But the second phenomenon is that by starting a Switch version (which no one wanted) halfway, they sacrified the PS4 version with a long delay and subpar graphics, this being outrageous to the existing NoA fanbase on PS4/PSV which automatically buy less. Therefore, KT loses on both sides and goes straight into the wall if they pursue that strategy. They must stop the alliance with Nintendo, otherwise they may damage their Gust brand beyond repair.

As a sidenote, very good 2nd week for Shin Yomawari. Probably not trailing too far from the 1st one now. As Yomawari 1 sold several times its costs, the sequel must be good profit for NIS.

So Switch is the one to blame for subpar graphics and not Vita that also has a version and it's inferior than Switch.

On the west it might another Disgaea 5 situation where Switch sakes almost match PS4 despite being a port.

Sales just show that Nights of Azure 2 is a game nobody wanted on any platform  after the 50% drop on PS4 and 70% drop on Vita compared to the past entry.

Shhh.  Throwing around facts like that could cause an uproar.



hiska-kun said:

The data is there. Why is Switch selling well? Because Nights of Azure 2? No, it's selling because Splatoon 2. 

Zelda and Mario were on Wii U, they are not the reason of Switch sales, but the excuse to get the games as well along Splatoon.

It's selling not just because of Splatoon but the great 1st party line-up it's offering and the future releases as well. To say that Switch is only selling because of Splatoon 2 is false. 

As I recall Switch is sold out the moment the Switch was release. It's still selling even before Splatoon was release. 

Nintendo was caught off guard bigtime and they cannot meet the demand for months now. It's a new gadget. New gadget generate hype. Especially when you cannot even purchase it immidiately. It creates the stigma that I want it as well.  The more you cannot get it the more you will want it.

It's a hybrid of Home console and Portable so it has mobility. Which as far as I know a big thing in Japan. The ability to play in a big screen then you can go outside and continue your game then you got home again plug it in on your Dock is for me the best selling point of Switch. Which I hope Sony follow as well. Ability to continue playing Uncharted, Bloodbourne and some of the exclusive JRPG like persona when I go out will be gamers dream for me.

Add to that the great software ( Splatoon) it offers. Zelda is a System seller, Mario Kart is a system seller, Arms sold well as well, Then You have Splatoon which is a great system seller. With Mario Odyssey with just a month away. For a hardcore Nintendo fan that is a fantastic line-up in less than a year it was release. 

So yeah It's only Splatoon 2.



After Splatoon being the only reason of Wii U sales increasing in 2015 and with >50% attach rate, following the Splatoon 2 madness phenomenum (like Yo-kai Watch) in Japan at the moment I don't know how people can still doubt that japanese people aren't buying Switch mainly for Splatoon 2. Of course there are other reasons, but without Splatoon the other reasons wouldn't be enough for most if the people. (Like Wii U never was before Splatoon).



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