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Torillian said:
Slimebeast said:

Despite the decades of brainwash, multiculturalist propaganda and virtue signaling in my country, more than half of ethnic Swedish men of my age (30-50 years old) right now support the Swedish Democrats in opinion polls, the political party that my fellow countryman Hiku in this thread is pointing out was partly founded by "white supremacists" or neo nazis two decades ago. A party that will become the biggest or 2nd biggest in the upcoming elections according to all experts.

"In Sweden! Can you believe it? SWEDEN!"  (Trump quote)

It's controversial and not politically correct to openly state that you prefer to live in a homogenous society with people who look like you, act like you and behave similar to yourself, but in secret, this is what the majority of people think (at least middle aged men, evidently) and it's nothing to be ashamed of.



I guess I just don't get the "looks like you" requirement. That's the part that makes the whole thing seem racist and you should indeed be ashamed of it. If you were advocating for maintaining your country's culture, let's say by teaching about it in schools and trying to keep it strong amongst those who live there, then I'd see your point. But you don't just want to make sure that whoever lives in Sweden maintains the culture of Sweden, they also have to be the same skin color as you which is the racist part.

I guess the important question would be whether a random Turkish family that has lived in Sweden for 2 generations, and the children know only of Sweden and hold all the same cultural practices dear that you do would then be acceptable? Would that change if it was a German family? Do they have to for some reason be ethically Swedish or is it just culturally Swedish that matters? Because if it's the former then yeah that's pretty racist, but if it's the latter then I think you need to rethink how you present your side of the argument. 

I appreciate the mild attitude in your post, which makes it easier to answer in a truthful manner.

By far the most important factor is culture and behaviour over race and looks. The main goal is to preserve the majority cultural expression of a society and nation.

Your example of a random 2nd or 3d generation Turkish family in Sweden, it would be very pleasing if they would hold all the same cultural practices as the natives so to speak. I don't even demand that. I only ask for a clear majority "native culture", not 100% of the population, and I'm fine with significant space for sub-cultures or foreign cultures to thrive and be expressed within the same society, as long as they're a clear minority and don't threat the majority or the "overall nature of the nation" (so it's de facto somewhat multicultural, but in principle still aims for homogeny). So when large amounts of people move in, yes it's indeed a goal to assimilate most of them into the native culture.

The emphasis on "white" in practical real-politics, the reason for that is that race still strongly correlates with culture and behaviour in our world. In simple terms: I see a white guy on the street, I don't get anxious. I see a foreigner of a certain type, I might get a bit nervous and aware. Anyone who denies this mechanic I think is lying to himself.

But in the hypothetical scenario that overnight, every blonde Swede would be replaced with a darker skinned individual who behaved culturally exactly like Swedes do, I guess honestly that would still bother me a little. Emphasis on little though.

If anyone wants to misinterpret the following on purpose, go ahead, but I'm trying to be honest here: I compare it to how we all know how mankind wants to preserve all animal species on earth. In the same way, I think there is some value, but not critical value, in preserving the different sub-groups, ethnic groups or races of the human species.



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deskpro2k3 said:
iron_megalith said:

And this just proves how both sides are fucking dumb to begin with. I can't believe some people are rationalizing Antifa which is a hellspawn of everything liberal gone wrong.

I'mma grab some popcorn and see how these two sides decide to one-up one another over who has the most tunnel visioned political view.

 

i'm sorry dude, but you can't compare antifa with nazi/kkk. ain't nothing worse than nazi/kkk. lol

To other previous comments and future ones: seriously, how the hell is anybody worse than a Nazi? Oh yeah, nazi sympathizers.

Wow. The only difference is one took it a step further. But otherwise, Nazis didn't start at what most people remember them to be.

So stop downplaying a budding extremist and say you can't compare them to that because they're "minor". Everything starts from small things then progresses to being the worst thing ever.

Also not just Antifa. BLM is also part of this shit that leftists are cuddling in their arms. Before someone throws nobody on the left killed anyone, there were dead cops a few months back. Guess we just turn a blind eye on that and focus on the White Supremacists just because they've been here longer.



SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

you really think you are helping the world through being deceitful?

I'm helping the world by denouncing hate.

Do you not denounce hate?

Yet you're kinda jerking Antifa, who are peddling hate as well. I don't get it.



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Once upon a time I actually wanted to live in the US, not so much anymore. I don't care about "sides", I care about not being shot/run over and/or discriminated against. As an outsider, I think this is legitimately getting way out of hand, and Trump hasnt even been in office for a year.



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I'll say it for a third time. Antifa is just as vile as the nazi's they are fighting against. What percentage of people that was there protesting against the removal of General Lee's statue was actually a White Supremacist? The fake news media would claim that all people there at the protest was white supremacist.

Most people there that protested the removal of General Lee's statue wouldn't consider themselves nazi's or white supremacist in my opinion. The Civil War and the Confederate statues are important parts of our history and believing that doesn't make anybody racist.

The white supremacist and antifa are both scum and should make anybody sick. They both have blood on their hands. Antifa should Admit their part in this tragedy, and the Guy that drove that car deserves the death penalty. The protest should have been done peacefully.



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Donutsticks said:
I'll say it for a third time. Antifa is just as vile as the nazi's they are fighting against. What percentage of people that was there protesting against the removal of General Lee's statue was actually a White Supremacist? The fake news media would claim that all people there at the protest was white supremacist.

Most people there that protested the removal of General Lee's statue wouldn't consider themselves nazi's or white supremacist in my opinion. The Civil War and the Confederate statues are important parts of our history and believing that doesn't make anybody racist.

The white supremacist and antifa are both scum and should make anybody sick. They both have blood on their hands. Antifa should Admit their part in this tragedy, and the Guy that drove that car deserves the death penalty. The protest should have been done peacefully.

Anifa is pretty fucking lame, but that's objectively false. 



Donutsticks said:
I'll say it for a third time. Antifa is just as vile as the nazi's they are fighting against. What percentage of people that was there protesting against the removal of General Lee's statue was actually a White Supremacist? The fake news media would claim that all people there at the protest was white supremacist.

Most people there that protested the removal of General Lee's statue wouldn't consider themselves nazi's or white supremacist in my opinion. The Civil War and the Confederate statues are important parts of our history and believing that doesn't make anybody racist.

The white supremacist and antifa are both scum and should make anybody sick. They both have blood on their hands. Antifa should Admit their part in this tragedy, and the Guy that drove that car deserves the death penalty. The protest should have been done peacefully.

The South lost there should have never been any statues of Confedrates anywhere in the first place you don't see any statues of Hitler in Germany and since the fall of the Iron Curtain you no longer see any statues of Marx, Lenin,  or Stalin in Eastern Europe. 



SpokenTruth said:
outlawauron said:

Yet you're kinda jerking Antifa, who are peddling hate as well. I don't get it.

Modern AntiFa exists because modern Nazi's and the KKK exist.  

 

And no, I don't agree with everything they do.  Being the aggressor is wrong.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And people wonder why they're so much hate in this world.



SpokenTruth said:
Slimebeast said:

To look at people as individuals yes, but society is made up of individuals who form groups.

You want to live in a multicultural society. I respect that, but I do not respect that you're trying to force this on everyone else as it's some kind of inevitable natural law.

I want to live in a society that is predominantly white, just like my forefathers have for thousands of years. It's perfectly natural and sane, and therefore I'm advancing this idea by democratic means and free speech, just like the majority of guys in Charlotsville were.

I love white culture and the white race, and I'm going to resist any attempts to eradicate my people, and I'm going to call out anybody who try to demonize us. Especially those who support the self-determination of other ethnic groups in the world, but reject this idea when it comes to white people because that's hypocritical, unfair and simply evil.

What exactly is white culture?  Whites in Sweden, Texas (US), New York, Spain, Italy, Russia, Israel, Argentina, Armenia.....all have pretty vastly different cultures.

Good question, but it's a big topic and I don't think it suits this thread that well.

To just say "white culture" I agree sounds very general and unspecific, because it suggests that it includes all the different cultural expressions in the nations you listed. But obviously one could talk about the common denominators, or talk about specific expressions country by country, or study this topic from some other angle. The point is that it's still something real and important despite our increasingly global and multicultural world.

 



Chris Hu said:
Donutsticks said:
I'll say it for a third time. Antifa is just as vile as the nazi's they are fighting against. What percentage of people that was there protesting against the removal of General Lee's statue was actually a White Supremacist? The fake news media would claim that all people there at the protest was white supremacist.

Most people there that protested the removal of General Lee's statue wouldn't consider themselves nazi's or white supremacist in my opinion. The Civil War and the Confederate statues are important parts of our history and believing that doesn't make anybody racist.

The white supremacist and antifa are both scum and should make anybody sick. They both have blood on their hands. Antifa should Admit their part in this tragedy, and the Guy that drove that car deserves the death penalty. The protest should have been done peacefully.

The South lost there should have never been any statues of Confedrates anywhere in the first place you don't see any statues of Hitler in Germany and since the fall of the Iron Curtain you no longer see any statues of Marx, Lenin,  or Stalin in Eastern Europe. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_of_Vladimir_Lenin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_of_Stalin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx_Monument

Also, think of all the thousands statues of brutal kings from the past that stand all over Europe. They're kept and looked after by our authorities because they're important part of our history, just like Donutsticks said.