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StarDoor said:
People don't buy consoles for power. By that logic, the Xbox One shouldn't even be trailing the Switch in the first place since it's cheaper and more powerful.

Sometimes they do. Read my reply to Segasanshiro. PS4 is a strong reason for Xbox One trailing Switch. It's more powerful at a comparable price. 



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Xen said:
Certainly not a long-term solution, that.

 

Most of the things that I wrote worked for 360. 



NATO said:
The "success" of the ps4 pro should have been a wake up call.

PS4 Pro is a modest success. Depending on how many years this generation goes, it could become a great success with 4k adoption expected to expand quickly.



niceguygameplayer said:
SvennoJ said:
Erm, correction, Switch has 0.2 tflops in handheld mode, 0.4 tflops docked. XBox One X is a measly 15 to 30 times more powerful. Won't matter one bit!

I don't know where you got your information, but Switch is the first Nintendo system to reach a teraflops. In comparison, the PS4 has 1.8 teraflops. 

Likely from Digital Foundry who actually know what they are talking about. Switch is a down clocked Tega X1 Second gen Maxwell. It was downclocked for battery life. It's approx 400 docked and 157 undocked but it's not the whole story. NS uses modern chipset and API. Nvidia is better at using those flops than AMD does. They get more performance per than AMD.



twintail said:
niceguygameplayer said:

If ppl are willing to pay over $400 for the low power switch, $500 for the most powerful console ever seems like a no brainer. 

You do know there is like zero correlation between the 2.

 

niceguygameplayer said:

Glad you asked! 1. Pay for major exclusives like back in the 360 days. Microsoft is not near broke. They could fund games like Lost Oddysey and Blue Dragon again, get back Call of Duty, and stop putting their games on PC and have true exclusives. They could make back the money and more with the game sales. 2. Invest into first party studios more. Bring back Fable. Make new IP's. Don't let go of talent like Bungie. 3. Make sure that every bit of juice is squeezed out of those 6 teraflops for even 3rd party games. Gradually move away from Xbox One S backwards compatibility. Maybe after one year. Have X exclusives that can take full advantage of it's power. 

1. That will depend on whether said studio would want to have their game funded by MS as opposed to a variety of better publishers. 

2. This is going to take a long time. It wont have any affect on the One X. 

3. That is entirely up to 3rd parties, and 3rd parties arent going to overly optimise for a console that is designed at a niche audience, and part of a brand that is is being outsold quite steadily by PS.

 

1. They might have to lose money to regain territory, but I think it is necessary for revitalizing the Xbox brand. Then when in a strong position again, they can return to more profitable times. 

2. It will take time, but if MS has stopped with new generations, this investment will pay off in the future and possibly save the Xbox brand. 

3. Once again, Microsoft's deep deep pockets could remedy this situation. They could pay for optimizing games for Xbox One X. It could very well make the Xbox a success again. 



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niceguygameplayer said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Your entire argument is flawed and it's for a very obvious reason : People aren't buying the Switch at 400$ for power. You essentially said "Wow, people are buying a weak console for 400$! Of course a powerful console like Xbox One X has a chance at 500$!" No. Consoles very rarely get bought for power.

And your list of reasons could be said by anyone. But they won't likely happen.

Read my reply to Segasanshiro. Power indeed has helped win sales and XB1X is a more significant leap than in probably any one generation. And ofcourse any one can say what I said, but I collected these in my post and said them with my own take. Is there something wrong with that?

My entire problem is that your posts make no sense. Your original post kickstarting this thread talked about the Switch being super duper underpowered but wowzaaa it's selling at 400$!!! Completely ignoring that the hardware has nothing to do with the sales. So you start off the thread talking about power per dollar, but then don't actually make any argument toward this idea till your 3rd point, which again, is out of touch because the Switch isn't bought for it's specs, at *best* it's bought for it's relative power as a handheld but even then it's a stretch to say the X can succeed because it's performance per price compared to the Switch. Your original post just feels jumbled and starts off with a stretch.

 

Your response to Segasanshiro is pretty bad. There were a lot of factors for why Nintendo's system won over Sega, and while both companies ran an  agressive marketing campaign around specs, Sega's marketing was arguably even more about power than Nintendo's. What made Nintendo's console win were the games, otherwise we'd be seeing blast processing ads from Nintendo and not their losing competitor. Your point about the n64 is incoherent. You essentially say all the bad things about the n64, and then say it was less powerful because of it. "It had cartridges and while it did 64 bytes, it didn't do them well" = less powerful than the Playstation ? No. Inserting your opinion does not make something a fact. That's not how power works on an objective level. Cartridges were a big disadvantage but simply saying "this did this bad therefore it's worse" is not an argument for power. For all I know the PS1 could be more powerful than the N64 but you didn't make it very convincing. And also the PS1 had warping. Plus, we draw inspiration more so from N64 games than PS1 games, they've just aged better although i'm sure the counter argument is that the PS1 had crash and FF7. 

And honestly the PS4 did not win because of specs, it was cared about only by forum users and internet content creators but very very very few actual people cared. It was because of the better marketing, price, and brand name. Let's be real. We can't pretend like every time a company has success with powerful hardware it's because of that hardware. Consoles are much more about brand recognition and marketing than power, and diminishing returns make this more of a reality than ever. At least in the PS3 era there was a huge difference between some games. The sooner we realize graphics shouldn't matter to THAT EXTENT on a console, the quicker we can get going onto more important developments like good exclusives.



niceguygameplayer said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Remember when PlayStation 2 failed because the hardware was weaker than Gamecube and Xbox? Remember when Wii never outsold the HD consoles? Oh that's right they were the best selling systems of their generation. My bad. I thought is all that mattered...gee... Oh and Switch is $300 not $400.

The most powerful console won in the 4th generation, the SNES over Sega Genesis. In the 5th, the CD technology of the PlayStation destroyed the N64, and also it had better polygon performance that bested the Saturn's. It won the 5th and was most powerful. And no N64 was not the most powerful. It had 64 bit capabilities but couldn't handle them very well. The textures were stretched and blurred, plus the cinema scenes were near impossible with cartridge tech and Nintendo lost Final Fantasy due to the cartridge tech. PS4 is the most powerful of the 8th generation (until Xbox One X). It has been winning pretty much all along partially due to hitting 1080p vs 900p for Xbox One. People like the idea of having the best version of a game. As you can see you are clearly wrong. Power can help win generations. 

Also, Xbox One X is the biggest leap in one generation, ever. This is a bigger leap than PS2 and the original Xbox. Lastly, I have been following Amazon sales for a long time. Switch has been sold by scalpers on there for months at $400+. The price has finally come down to about $380. Check out Amazon best sellers right now. There is an Amazon best sellers thread that appears right here on Vgcharts pretty often, but if you just type Amazon best sellers in a search engine, you will find it quickly.

Please do the research before blasting me in the future.

Jaguar,3D0,Neo Geo AES,CDi all more powerful than SNES from the same generation of consoles.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

People have been paying $400 + for the switch because of scarcity and high demand. That has nothing to do with the Xbox One x and it's issues. 

Willingness to overpay means ppl have disposable income that MS could have a lot of. Money is what connects the 2 situations. Unless only Nintendo fans have disposable income, of course.



monocle_layton said:
"Urrr some people are paying scalpers for a popular console with great exclusives and portability. They'll certainly pay $500 for a console if they can get a lineup weaker than Greece's economy!"

Lol, that's actually funny! But I addressed the lineup problem in my post.



niceguygameplayer said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

People have been paying $400 + for the switch because of scarcity and high demand. That has nothing to do with the Xbox One x and it's issues. 

Willingness to overpay means ppl have disposable income that MS could have a lot of. Money is what connects the 2 situations. Unless only Nintendo fans have disposable income, of course.

Yes, but that depends on the customer. People are not going to come out like they are for the Switch for a $500 at console mid gen. Nintendo is offering something novel and creative that is scarce. This is something Microsoft would probably doesnt have the creativity to accomplish. The Switches first year titles are also of an extremely high quality compared to their competition and highly sought after. Microsoft has never created a new IP themselves that was highly sought after. Seriously.....like ever.