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COKTOE on 21 July 2017
RolStoppable said:
Nautilus said:
As said, without actual numbers its really hard to say if this is just PR talk or if the XOne is performing well.Those Live numbers could be not only from XOne, but from 360 as well, and wherever else you can it subscribed at.

There's no implication that Xbox One is doing well. There's no emphasis on Xbox consoles either. These are statements that are in line with Microsoft's direction of moving away from consoles.

Yes, but how many raindrops fell in online Forza 6 sessions? Until stats like that are made public, I think we should all reserve judgement.



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Nautilus on 21 July 2017
RolStoppable said:
Nautilus said:
As said, without actual numbers its really hard to say if this is just PR talk or if the XOne is performing well.Those Live numbers could be not only from XOne, but from 360 as well, and wherever else you can it subscribed at.

There's no implication that Xbox One is doing well. There's no emphasis on Xbox consoles either. These are statements that are in line with Microsoft's direction of moving away from consoles.

Like I said, cant really tell one way or the other.But yeah, I believe that as well



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Farsala on 21 July 2017
ZhugeEX said:
JRPGfan said:

How many of those 53m are Xbox Live free, and how many are Xbox Live Gold?
And if theres only like 28m Xbox One's out there.... are all the rest just Xbox360 users?

The 53 million number includes free and paid unique accounts on Xbox One, Xbox 360, Windows 10 and Mobile. 

The number is up 8% YoY driven by new software, services and increased XB1 installed base. 

 

 

Microsoft's Gaming revenue was $9.1 billion last year. It was down 1% YoY as an increase in software and services revenue was offset by a decline in hardware revenue and unit sales. 

 

Microsoft's Gaming division is profitable thanks to growth from Xbox Live, Minecraft and other services. Microsoft currently has a few challenges facing them this year. 

1. Retain and grow active users in the ecosystem through new software and services. 

2. Increase Xbox hardware sales through Xbox One S to grow installed base + use Xbox One X to retain installed base. 

3. Grow Windows 10 Gaming business. 

The first graph shows clear growth in MAU, which is good for MS.

However the 2nd graph shows that despite the MAU almost doubling, that in the same timeframe they are not making much more money. Seems to be a pretty big growth problem for them lately.



Chazore on 21 July 2017
jason1637 said:

Thanks for the graphs.

AoE remastered might help windows 10 store but i dont see it growing much since they end up putting lots of their games on steam.

Because their store only contains a tiny amount of games, with the store also being undesirable in the eyes of the PC community. They don't allow for mod support as well as other features Steam and others provide. AoE Remastered will likely land on Steam at some point and MS will still make money from the Steam store at the end of the day.

If MS wants a large chunk of Steam's pie, then they have to take all the good pages from Steam and other client competitors. MS doesn't get the luxury of doing things their way and telling PC gamers to take it or leave it. They have to work on what others have built and then add on top of it with something unique that attracts people to their store over the other ones.



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jason1637 on 21 July 2017
Chazore said:
jason1637 said:

Thanks for the graphs.

AoE remastered might help windows 10 store but i dont see it growing much since they end up putting lots of their games on steam.

Because their store only contains a tiny amount of games, with the store also being undesirable in the eyes of the PC community. They don't allow for mod support as well as other features Steam and others provide. AoE Remastered will likely land on Steam at some point and MS will still make money from the Steam store at the end of the day.

If MS wants a large chunk of Steam's pie, then they have to take all the good pages from Steam and other client competitors. MS doesn't get the luxury of doing things their way and telling PC gamers to take it or leave it. They have to work on what others have built and then add on top of it with something unique that attracts people to their store over the other ones.

Even if they do that i can't see them converting people to windows 10 store. Windows 10  requires Xbox Lice so the servers will be different from steam. I doubt people will want to use the store with less populated servers. And like you said most games will end up on steam anyway so there really isnt any reason to use Windows 10 store unless youre interested in MS first party and dont want to buy an XBO.



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Soundwave on 21 July 2017

30 million XBox Ones is too many for MS to just leave the business, ain't gonna happen. They're going to sell 40-50 million, if Nintendo had sold 40-50 million Wii Us you would've seen another dedicated Nintendo home console.

That and revenue from XBox Live is likely printing them a fair chunk of cash.

XBox One would have to sell like the Wii U, Dreamcast, or GameCube for MS to consider exiting the market. $9 billion in revenue if that number is legit likely yields them a fair amount of profit. 



RJ_Sizzle on 21 July 2017
JRPGfan said:

How many of those 53m are Xbox Live free, and how many are Xbox Live Gold?
And if theres only like 28m Xbox One's out there.... are all the rest just Xbox360 users?

Is he quoting paid accounts or MAUs? I think that's the current MAU figure.



Chazore on 21 July 2017
jason1637 said:

Even if they do that i can't see them converting people to windows 10 store. Windows 10  requires Xbox Lice so the servers will be different from steam. I doubt people will want to use the store with less populated servers. And like you said most games will end up on steam anyway so there really isnt any reason to use Windows 10 store unless youre interested in MS first party and dont want to buy an XBO.

Well that would be up to MS to cooperate with the other clients. Using XBL to push onto anyone else isn't winning them the day, so they may as well try opening their gates to the competition, rather than using Minecraft on Win 10 as an example.



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darkenergy on 07 August 2017
Soundwave said:

30 million XBox Ones is too many for MS to just leave the business, ain't gonna happen. They're going to sell 40-50 million, if Nintendo had sold 40-50 million Wii Us you would've seen another dedicated Nintendo home console.

That and revenue from XBox Live is likely printing them a fair chunk of cash.

XBox One would have to sell like the Wii U, Dreamcast, or GameCube for MS to consider exiting the market. $9 billion in revenue if that number is legit likely yields them a fair amount of profit. 

^^^ What this post said is logical sense.



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darkenergy on 07 August 2017
d21lewis said:
I see game pass ads on Facebook all the time but I think it would be a smart move if they'd advertise it in tv and other places. People who haven't gotten an Xbox One and people who just like a good deal would jump on it. As of right now, only hardcore gamers seem to know about the service.

I agree with this.



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