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This is an older interview. He has some good points to make, but it's apparent that he's just salty. Hopefully he and Nintendo can reconcile their differences in the future.



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JRPGfan said:
Ljink96 said:

Well, if certain developers don't want to put in the effort, they shouldn't support the system. I mean, why whine about the situation when you could just not support it and stay on PS4/Xbox/PC? Switch is going to favor those who understand the intention of the Switch and are willing to develop software that is specifically designed for Switch. And of course, he didn't know how successful the Switch would continue to be back in April so I'd guess he's eating those words now...

With Wii U, Nintendo's job was to promote their software and software that was prone to improving Wii U sales. As, Wii U was in a terrible position at the time. Why would they try to promote a game like Oddworld over Mutant Mudds or even Mario Tennis Ultra Smash? It just doesn't make sense. I'd understand if there was a deal that outlined and set in stone the idea that Nintendo would promote their game but there wasn't and he should have been prepared for that. 

It's not Nintendo's job to help developers sell software on their system...that's the developer's job. lol That's where marketing comes in. If it doesn't sell even with marketing your game just isn't what the audience wants, he's been in the business for a while he should know that. It's not like Oddworld was some huge franchise to begin with, XD

Why not both?

See that is the issue right there. That mentality.

Remember "riseing sea raises all boats" ?

Not with nintendo.

He basically said even during the Wii level of success, only ones really makeing good money off that system was Nitnendo themselves.

Sony see themselves as a platform for gameing, when they do well, so do 3rd party.

Its what brings 3rd party games.

 

Also "Well, if certain developers don't want to put in the effort, they shouldn't support the system."

They do, but they cant do day-2-date for most of it, because the nintendo system is much harder to get games running on (portable/home console modes, weaker hardware, workarounds needed to be found ect).

So basically Nintendo punish 3rd party, because their system is harder to develope for, by then not showing any support to the developers that do put in effort to port games. By not bothering to promote their games (even during software droughts), because their mentality is "we f*** you over if you dont day to date". Its a unfair system.

Because there's limited space to promote. You can't just expect to be promoted. I personally don't think it's really unfair. Nintendo did put up a trailer and an interview on their Youtube channel which is most likely free promotion and I'm sure that Nintendo at least had a new releases page beneath the main content on the eshop.

I'm the kind of person who has no sympathy for developers who don't know the audience they're trying to cater to. I wouldn't come back from the brink, with a game that really wasn't all that popular to begin with, started on Playstation, and expect the mainly hardcore Nintendo audience that was on the Wii U to catch on to it. That makes, absolutely no sense. Nintendo is at the end of the day a company that highly values its software. They're prone to promote software that they know, based off of market research will sell well on their platforms.

And again, if it's so bad for developers like him, vote with your ability to develop software for other platforms, don't be petty and attack Nintendo because your game didn't sell itself. Just don't support Nintendo again, if they feel this way. If Nintendo put money into development of other 3rd party software then yeah they'd probably advertise it, like Bayonetta. But if Nintendo is asking you to bring software over, it's your choice to do so and your obligation to do your own research and see if the install base is receptive of your style of game. 



onionberry said:

For something like rocket league, well the game is "old" just like stardew valley, the diference is that those games have a lot of fans so it's good business for Nintendo and the developers and that's why Nintendo is promoting those games.

I agree.  The only games that should be allowed to have late releases on Nintendo platforms are the ones that are still relevant after a month.  The last thing I want is for the Switch to become a depository for failed games desperately looking to find an audience.



Ljink96 said:
JRPGfan said:
some of that seems like legit issues though.

I agree but getting angry at Nintendo for not promoting your game or marketing your game is kinda shitty. And he didn't lose money on his venture on Wii U...

Please explain why.

Also, not losing money is not great. The point is to make money. As much as possible. So breaking even or making a tiny profit is probably a bad bussiness move.



According to vgchartz 68 out of the Wii's top 100 best selling games were third party titles. So...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=Wii&genre=&minSales=0&results=200



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Jpcc86 said:
I think he is just pissed that Nintendo doesnt give us what we really want: Golden Sun for the Switch.

Where's Advance Wars 



naruball said:
Ljink96 said:

I agree but getting angry at Nintendo for not promoting your game or marketing your game is kinda shitty. And he didn't lose money on his venture on Wii U...

Please explain why.

Also, not losing money is not great. The point is to make money. As much as possible. So breaking even or making a tiny profit is probably a bad bussiness move.

Bringing a game a year and half after initial release to the WiiU when it was widely available on all other platforms for long is also a bad buisness move. No reason to complain here for him. Was to be expected.



You can feel the hate flowing from this guy.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Ganoncrotch said:

You are including that the Wii wasn't successful in this and that the WiiU didn't have 3rd party support you know? Lines that on reading I think less of what the person knows about gaming outside of his own little projects in all honesty.

Read the OP, he said wii was not successfull to third parties he is probably right, wiiU had very poor 3rd party support too so he is right again.

Ubisoft alone sold 33.4 million copies of Just Dance on the Wii, that makes the statement incorrect. Tons of other companies struck gold on the system too, EA, Lucas,Sega, Warner, fuck it read for yourself the companies who have million sellers on the platform, million selling titles @ 480p in 2012, that is just printing money right there.

Like I said, what he said is only correct, if you don't actually know the facts or truth, sure if you read the OP as true then what he said is perfectly true, but this is the same man that thinks the Switch has 2GB of RAM in it and thinks that Ubisoft didn't make money from 33million sales of SD games on the Wii.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/2/wii/

As for Wii-U third party support? you would have to have your eyes bolted closed to not have seen Arkam, Tekken, mass effect, skylanders, Just dance, assassins Creed, Sonic and others pouring onto the system during its first years, the console was basically a tech demo for what the Switch would be in 2017, people didn't buy it, third party dried up and rightly so, but that does not mean it was not there from the get go. It is like trying to say that you don't see a lot of people taking part in a marathon after the race is over and everyone has gone home.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Ganoncrotch said:

You are including that the Wii wasn't successful in this and that the WiiU didn't have 3rd party support you know? Lines that on reading I think less of what the person knows about gaming outside of his own little projects in all honesty.

Read the OP, he said wii was not successfull to third parties he is probably right, wiiU had very poor 3rd party support too so he is right again.

Ubisoft basically funded the development of their HD games by exploiting the casual audience on the Wii; same with the other western 3rd party publishers to a lesser extent.  At the very least, they didn't lose money because development costs for Wii games were still low due to the fact that it wasn't an HD console and was basically a souped up Gamecube so it wasn't unfamiliar territory to program for.