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vivster on 27 June 2017
Mandalore76 said:
vivster said:

They are concentrating very much on what he says. And then he or his representatives come out either saying he didn't say it or that he didn't mean it or that Twitter isn't official and other bullcrap. The mainstream media focuses on every little thing and not just the big stuff. But the small stuff gets instantly deflected despite being most of the time the important things. That's why the media clings to the bigger things that have more traction.

You do not need to spin anything Trump says because most of the time he is just simply lying. If that is out of malice, fear or sheer ignorance doesn't matter.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump

Saying that a statement he said is a lie is not spinning or witch hunting. It's stating the obvious. That's the beauty of the ignorance of his supporters. It doesn't matter what is said about Trump. It doesn't matter if CNN is spinning or lying or telling the truth. What matters to them is what Trump says and they will certainly never ever fact check anything he says.

This article is a great example as his supporters will take this single instance as undeniable proof that Trump never said anything wrong. As you can already see in this thread.

Yes, because reducing one's own credibility has always been a solution as opposed to adding to the problem.

Context. I said it does not matter to his supporters. I didn't mean the general population with working brains.



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specialk on 27 June 2017

Project Veritas has been busted for lying, selectively editing, and misrepresenting the narrative countless times.

Can we stop taking them seriously please?



foodfather on 27 June 2017

Crap News Network couldn't die sooner. Good riddance.

Next up, Mainstream Snowflake News Broadcasing Crap



ithis on 27 June 2017
StarOcean said:
ithis said:

 

Trump must really threaten you in major specific ways to take that position. I am curious what those threats are, or to what those threats are in your opinion. Democracy? Freedom? Healthcare? Peace? Looking good as an American to the rest of the world? Other?

(I want to start this discussion to learn whether the ends really can justify the means in this case. I do admit I have a preconception on the outcome, so I would appreciate an honest answer that would clarify, perhaps invalidate my preconception.) 

Look, he's doing a lot in his power to try to give a platform to science deniers, and that cannot be tolerated. If this were a small country what he says would hold no weight and have no true consequence, but he's constantly shown he has no regard for the environment, the health of others (idc about the healthcare stuff as much as him spreading misinformation about healthcare like vaccines causing autism... Jesus Christ >~>). What's important to me is that in the future my great grandkids live in a world that is working towards making renewable energy more affordable and effective. I don't need the environment being screwed over by this dipshit who gets all of his science facts from Christwire.com. He has no regard for it, you can tell by all the rollbacks he's put into place and having fucking Pruitt run, ruin, the EPA. And I don't care about the Paris Agreement as much I do what it says about this country, which is, we don't care about the planet we live on. And the short sighted idiots who will willingly trash it because they don't care how their grandkids will suffer, are people who deserve to be treated the same way they're screwing over the planet. And Im not going to sit around and pretend everything is fine when he's rolling back tons of shit as we speak. The fact he's giving those doubters a platform to influence others is enough for me to hate him. For him to screw over my kids is another thing entirely, especially when they shouldn't suffer because of idiots making dumb decisions before theyre born

Ok, thank you for the reply. That explanation of the "hate" you feel makes sense. One problem is, of course, that as much as you believe the views and actions of men such as Trump negatively affect the lives of your unborn children, others believe that is not true at all, or perhaps the other way around, that acting on a "fake threat" will negatively affect their unborn children. Now, this is where science comes in and the way science is spread to most people is news. Naturally then fake new must die. Science deniers should stop using the fruits of science to spread their propaganda. That propaganda must die become the hobby of the few. I don't think that, with the ultimate goal of reestablishing the value of objective truth, of scientific reasoning, any method is a good method. I would argue that spreading any news, to make Trump go away in order to get back true news is counterproductive. We have to stick to our principles of truth or risk our children living in a world where "alternative truth" did not die with the end of the age of Trump, it was born with it.



COKTOE on 27 June 2017
vivster said:
Mr Puggsly said:

That's kinda the problem. They scrutinize and spin everything he says. There is a reason why much of this media has lost credibility.

They also spend too much time specualting on what the Trump administration is doing versus what he actually says.

They are concentrating very much on what he says. And then he or his representatives come out either saying he didn't say it or that he didn't mean it or that Twitter isn't official and other bullcrap. The mainstream media focuses on every little thing and not just the big stuff. But the small stuff gets instantly deflected despite being most of the time the important things. That's why the media clings to the bigger things that have more traction.

You do not need to spin anything Trump says because most of the time he is just simply lying. If that is out of malice, fear or sheer ignorance doesn't matter.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump

Saying that a statement he said is a lie is not spinning or witch hunting. It's stating the obvious. That's the beauty of the ignorance of his supporters. It doesn't matter what is said about Trump. It doesn't matter if CNN is spinning or lying or telling the truth. What matters to them is what Trump says and they will certainly never ever fact check anything he says.

This article is a great example as his supporters will take this single instance as undeniable proof that Trump never said anything wrong. As you can already see in this thread.

Quite nice. Almost beautiful.



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VGPolyglot on 27 June 2017

Seems like classic divide and conquer to me, get one group to hate Democrats, and another group to hate Republicans, so that it keeps on going back and forth between the two parties, instead of having one united group against the system itself.



pokoko on 27 June 2017

The media is a business and they decide what stories to go after based on ratings?

Uh ... yeah, we know.

The only amazing part about this is that some people in this thread are acting as if we haven't known that for decades. They all do it--yeah, even the ones you like because they lean in your direction.

And you know those "alt news" sources some people love? The people you can spot because they parrot "MSM" all the time? Yeah, they're making tons of money by pandering to a particular audience, as well. If you're someone who thinks they can believe a source just because that source constantly bash the "mainstream media"then you're every bit as much a puppet as those you mock for being puppets.



jason1637 on 27 June 2017

I want everyone at CNN that participated in this to be executed publicly.



Superman4 on 27 June 2017
Aeolus451 said:
StarOcean said:
I don't care if its real or not. I want the hate to continue. I want it to be full on rage. Because Trump is obsessed with it, and that's horrible for anyones mental health. Especially with a position as the President and at his age. If this continues the fat whale will have a heart attack. That or maybe the hate will inspire someone to kill him. How factual it is isn't the point. Trump's loyal cocksuckers wouldn't believe the truth if it bitch-slapped them anyway, nor would he. So him dying is really the only thing that matters. However, the longer it makes him suffer, the better. So if the hate the news is spewing is what it takes to make that come true, then by all means, let the hate flood more than it has

If you and others of the left keep thinking/acting in this manner, you'll see a second term of trump again. Keep pushing the bullshit narractive of russia and hate trump at all costs. 

Agreed. It is funny though how he just proved Trumps point. Its a witch hunt, the left doesnt like him and wants him out at any cost. They dont care about facts or him actually doing anything wrong, they are just pissed because they lost and the country is going to get fixed. The pussies of the world are losing control and they dont like it. All the political correctness is over people.



Aura7541 on 27 June 2017

It was rather obvious when the corporate media kept pushing the narrative for months, but never came up with any concrete evidence and just cited "sources [they] can not verify".