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malistix1985 said:
Hynad said:

1- First time I ever hear about this. Source?

2- What are you on about? 

google "lower resolution cpu intensive" im sure you will find thousands of hits, any tech site will tell you this in any of their tests for cpu and gpu components its commen knowledge, no offense.

Destiny 2 is also a good excample since its been in the news lately, higher resolutions on 30fps not a big deal because nativly it runs at 30fps but 60fps on 1080p is impossible, the gpu wouldn't need to do much extra work to render the extra frames but the cpu cannot sent the instructions to render the frames fast enough.

Sending instructions to handle higher resolution frames isn't as intensive as sending ADDITIONAL instructions.

Altough the GPU displays the graphics the CPU tells the GPU what to do.

That applies to some cases, not all. In the case of checkerboarding, I doubt it applies since the CPU is already used "efficiently" for the 1080p version of the games. 



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jason1637 said:
3.5 more than the PRO. Impressive.

This is one is one of the biggest disappointments with the Pro. They went for higher resolution but there is no room for effects and assets that require more RAM.

This is gonna allow Scropio games to have a lot more polish. Should be able to achieve 4K textures with ease.



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Hynad said:

That applies to some cases, not all. In the case of checkerboarding, I doubt it applies since the CPU is already used "efficiently" for the 1080p version of the games. 

But if you are not checkerboarding and not gaining high resolutions you will know the GPU power is being wasted and I check digital foundry and other tech youtubers often and sadly that is the case in many ps4 pro titles.

If Microsoft can use that extra horsepower to achieve and resolve the issues of getting higher resolutions then we should see much better use of the console hardware. Both consoles where not designed to offer 60fps on 1080p because of their CPU bottlenecks and this extra memory is very important on the Scorpio because its one of the big reasons some games didn't achieve higher resolutions on the ps4 pro.

Just comparing it to a pc going for console-settings in 4k you will see they use more then 5.5gbs of total memory, usually they use around that just on the graphics card alone.

Its going to be a very interesting E3 for sure I am very excited to see if Microsoft has pulled it off but news like this does a lot to think they might have :)




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Machiavellian said:
NATO said:

Should have just put more memory in to begin with, leaves way too easy a path to be overtaken again in the not to distant future, and if Scorpio loses its "most powerful console" shtick, it loses everything.

Its a mid gen console, why makes you think this is the last iteration for MS.  If anything when Sony is ready for their next gen so will MS.  The PS4 Pro and Scorpio will be the low end while the new consoles will be the high.  Having the scorpio as your low end seems pretty good for MS

It doesn't seem like a mid-gen refresh it seems like a whole new platform. I understand Microsoft have stated it will not have exclusive games but the hardware seems expensive and over-complicated. I can forsee it costing something like £399 in the UK while the ps4 pro is at £279 or even £249. The pro looks very cheap to make in comparison to the Scorpio.

So my Xbox one will run all the same games at 720p or 900p where as the Scorpio will run them at 4k or supersample 4k to 1080p? 

I'm not sure I'm going to be interested in upgrading to be honest if the ps5 will hits stores 18 months later and a new Xbox perhaps a year after that. 



Are there any games that would honestly need 9GB of RAM?



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FIT_Gamer said:
Are there any games that would honestly need 9GB of RAM?

Perhaps Star Citizen gets ported to Scorpio ;)



Turkish said:

Am I the only one not excited about these specs from Scorpio? I mean 9GB ram is great, but knowing that there won't be any Scorpio exclusives making use of it, it doesn't really excite me. It's essentially all for the benefit of 4K: higher res assets etc of current gen games. 3rd parties arent gonna make a next gen game on their own either.

I hope I'm wrong and MS shows a Scorpio exclusive.

Jigsawx1 said:
Nice this will bring game development forward

How?

You probably are not the only one not excited but that does not mean that the specs and engineering is not top for the time frame.  Its a mid gen console so it will not have any exclusives just like the PS4 Pro does not have any exclusives.  MS has already stated multiple times no exclusives for scorpio so you can pretty much kill that one on your wish list.  The key for MS is if they can show significant better visuals for previous and current games coming out.  If not then the scorpio will be regulated as a very nich device (I already believe its nich).



FIT_Gamer said:
Are there any games that would honestly need 9GB of RAM?

Yes, Witcher 3.



bonzobanana said:
Machiavellian said:

Its a mid gen console, why makes you think this is the last iteration for MS.  If anything when Sony is ready for their next gen so will MS.  The PS4 Pro and Scorpio will be the low end while the new consoles will be the high.  Having the scorpio as your low end seems pretty good for MS

It doesn't seem like a mid-gen refresh it seems like a whole new platform. I understand Microsoft have stated it will not have exclusive games but the hardware seems expensive and over-complicated. I can forsee it costing something like £399 in the UK while the ps4 pro is at £279 or even £249. The pro looks very cheap to make in comparison to the Scorpio.

So my Xbox one will run all the same games at 720p or 900p where as the Scorpio will run them at 4k or supersample 4k to 1080p? 

I'm not sure I'm going to be interested in upgrading to be honest if the ps5 will hits stores 18 months later and a new Xbox perhaps a year after that. 

To be honest, its pretty much on how you feel more than how the product is positioned.  Every indication from MS shows that the scorpio is positioned as a Mid Gen product.  Yes they could have came out at the same time as the PS4 Pro but chose that extra year to go bigger.  Its a calculated risk by MS and who knows if it will work or not.  Definitely it will not change the outcome of this generation but it could pick up a lot more steam as the low end console for the next.  

As for the hardware its not over - complicated at all.  MS just added more cores and increase the memory.  They probably are using more advance cores for the GPU but nothing that changes it significantly enough from the current X1.  The CPU is the same but with an uptick in speed.  The PS4 Pro was and is very cheap for Sony to make and it shows because of all the limitations it has in achieving its results.  The Scorpio looks like MS looked at all the areas that were holding back the PS4 Pro and made sure they would not have those issues and thus it should achieve exactly what MS has stated it will.  Whether that garners gamers support will not be determined until E3 and when it goes on sale.



SuperBott said:
FIT_Gamer said:
Are there any games that would honestly need 9GB of RAM?

Yes, Witcher 3.

You don't need 9GB to run TW3. It uses just under 7GB.