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Should Trump stay or not?

Yes, stay 119 50.42%
 
No, don't stay 102 43.22%
 
Not sure 15 6.36%
 
Total:236
palou on 03 June 2017
robzo100 said:
palou said:

Regardless of if we are conscious of the phenomen or not, without an agreement of any kind, stated or not, it will always be more logical to act against the collective wellbeing. Rellying on the good will of individuals is a catastrophe bound to happen (as the heavy fall of productivity in all attempted communist states has proven.) 

I do not necessarily see the Paris Agreement, or anything similar, as being against libertarian principles. It is simply a collective aknowledgment that it would be in the interest of all if all participated. Each party has the power to break the agreement for all, but the nash equilibrium, with rational players, makes each member continue participating. Trump at least somewhat destabilized this equilibrium, which could lead other "players" to go back to their direct individual interests, instead of making agreements with others

Of course, in practice, people aren't rational, which makes game theory a much, much harder subject. The math is pretty beautiful, though.

In the end, I will always fundementaly be in disagreement with Libertarians; as I do not consider Liberty to be a fundemental part of morality, but mearly a tool. I believe in capitalism, and more specifically, in competition, as it does follow a sound mathematical model; however, it is also mathematicaly unquestionable that there are several instances where limiting the choices of individuals does bring to a greater collctive productivity/happiness. 

I believe that this gives the right to breach the liberty of individuals; but I respect that some could disagree with that.

I greatly respect the thought put into your point of view, that's all I really ask of myself and others - from there productive exchanges will always ensue.

Hmmm, bit dramatic? Anyways, cheers ;)

You too.

 

The problem in politics isn't the left or right, it's the general difficulties, or much more likely lack of interest of a large portion of the population on all sides to look at issues case by case on their own efforts.

 

Have a good day.



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Ruler on 03 June 2017
Naum said:

The french President just ripped trump  a new one.

He also married to his mother (25 years older), hes a joke and a puppet imo



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Birimbau on 03 June 2017

Normal people can't even afford play their college loan debt. they have more imortant priorities than making everything more expensive by adding carbos taxes bs to the products.

These green world superrigh elites live in another reality.



palou on 03 June 2017
Birimbau said:

Normal people can't even afford play their college loan debt. they have more imortant priorities than making everything more expensive by adding carbos taxes bs to the products.

These green world superrigh elites live in another reality.

Carbon tax wouldn't be adding additional taxes. It would be reajusting taxes to incentivize environnemental products.

 

The amount that is collected, in the end, should be equivalent.



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Flilix on 03 June 2017
Ruler said:
Naum said:

The french President just ripped trump  a new one.

He also married to his mother (25 years older), hes a joke and a puppet imo

...So? Donald Trump is 23 years older than his wife.



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Ruler on 03 June 2017
Flilix said:
Ruler said:

He also married to his mother (25 years older), hes a joke and a puppet imo

...So? Donald Trump is 23 years older than his wife.

Thats her problem tough



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monocle_layton on 03 June 2017
Flilix said:
Ruler said:

He also married to his mother (25 years older), hes a joke and a puppet imo

...So? Donald Trump is 23 years older than his wife.

Shhh...you'll upset the Trump supporters if you use facts!



Flilix on 03 June 2017
monocle_layton said:
Flilix said:

...So? Donald Trump is 23 years older than his wife.

Shhh...you'll upset the Trump supporters if you use facts!

Looking at his signature, I don't think he's a Trump supporter.



monocle_layton on 03 June 2017
Flilix said:
monocle_layton said:

Shhh...you'll upset the Trump supporters if you use facts!

Looking at his signature, I don't think he's a Trump supporter.

I don't see signatures on mobile.

 

Concerning Macron's marriage though, did he have the relationship while he was still in school? I think that's what separates a fine relationship and an awkward one.



Flilix on 04 June 2017
monocle_layton said:
Flilix said:

Looking at his signature, I don't think he's a Trump supporter.

I don't see signatures on mobile.

 

Concerning Macron's marriage though, did he have the relationship while he was still in school? I think that's what separates a fine relationship and an awkward one.

His signature is "America is a bigger thread to world peace than North Korea".

Macron's relationship is indeed a bit akward though. They met when they had to work together on a theatre play, he was 15 and his wife Brigitte was a teacher. He fell in love with her, and 2 years later he told her that he would once marry her. She had feelings for him too, but she knew it wasn't possible to have a relationship. However, when he was 18, they got seperated: he went to a school in Paris. But because Macron couldn't miss her, they had long phone calls everyday, which made her completely fall in love. Finally, Brigitte went to Paris and they started a real relationship.

But I don't get why people would say he's weak just because he has a relationship with an older woman?