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Forums - Politics Discussion - Is Marie Le Pen more Left-Wing than Macron? (French Presidential Election)

Aeolus451 said:
LurkerJ said:

Liberals shielding openly homophobic, anti-semite, Sharia-loving Muslims from criticism and asking us to be ok with the proliferation of the Islamic ideology in our societies has to be one of the strangest phenomenas.

My favorite song about that.

Damn even I think that video is almost too racist. Can't help chuckling at a few parts though.



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Johnw1104 said:

Hmm why do people call Le Pen "far right" and Macron "centrist" if the political compass looks like that?

I've noticed a trend that people conflate "authoritarian" with "right wing", which is obviously inaccurate as left wings can be authoritarian and right can be libertarian. Is that what's at play here?

Politcs seems to flip every now and then a bit like the magnectic poles.

Take the UK. Left-wing Labour has been, at least since the 80s, as the main party of the blue collar working class. But then there was the Brexit vote. In the run up to which, huge numbers of voters in the aforementioned category switch to the right-wing UKIP, and now post-referendum are lookling likely to vote for the Tories (also right-wing) as Brexit gets underway, with Labour having a massive slump. 



Johnw1104 said:

Hmm why do people call Le Pen "far right" and Macron "centrist" if the political compass looks like that?

I've noticed a trend that people conflate "authoritarian" with "right wing", which is obviously inaccurate as left wings can be authoritarian and right can be libertarian. Is that what's at play here?

In my experience, most left leaning people are authoritorian, at least here in Scandinavia.



Qwark said:
Aeolus451 said:

My favorite song about that.

Damn even I think that video is almost too racist. Can't help chuckling at a few parts though.

I wouldn't call it racist. It makes fun of the "alliance" between the ideologies of islamist/islamic fundamentalism and 3rd wave feminism. The characters in it are actual people too. I can't remember who the guy is or find him but the woman was easy to find. 

Here's the redhead. 

Here's what they're making fun of. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabby-aossey/muslims-are-the-true-feminists_b_9877692.html



RolStoppable said:
Le Pen is comfortably right wing on a social level. A graph based on economics doesn't change that, and it won't make people who identify as left vote for Le Pen.

It will. Leftist citizens are not necessarily liberal and leftism doesn't have to be liberal. Even if you take out the most infamous examples (fascism and nazism) then there are still the likes of communism, in which the state controls the economy and society. 

Seeing this election, I couldn't help but notice that FN and EM policies were the opposite of each other. Le Pen was a leftist whenever it came down to economic issues and right wing otherwise. Macron was a right wing economist but supported extending over protective legislation to even more minorities and bolstering the rights of anyone living in the country. His message is the standard GWB Neocon approach of "if we fuck up their country, they can come here" whereas Le Pen ran on a "let's not make things worse and mind our own business". 

Naturally, Le Pen had the party's name and her own family to drag her down. Even then, her platform is a very odd one and even now associated with Nazism due to leftist traditionalists leaping into the authoritarian left part of politics, whose closest historical counterparts where none other than Mussolini, Verwoerd and Stalin, and thus have derided these people as nazis even though these spectrums are humongous. Little do they know some countries like Chile have already chosen these kinds of candidates and they have been damn good (who remembers Eduardo Frei? Or perhaps I need to bring up Trudeau Sr...