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Forums - Politics Discussion - Is Marie Le Pen more Left-Wing than Macron? (French Presidential Election)

VGPolyglot on 05 May 2017
vivster said:
RolStoppable said:
Le Pen is comfortably right wing on a social level. A graph based on economics doesn't change that, and it won't make people who identify as left vote for Le Pen.

Tell that to the self identifying lefts who voted for Trump.

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It is normal that the more right you go the more social and populist your policies become. That's why there is barely any difference between the extreme right and extreme left when it comes to social policies minus the immigration part.

There's a huge difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. The reason why people assume that they're similar, though, is because authoritarians are similar to each other.



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vivster on 06 May 2017
VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:

Tell that to the self identifying lefts who voted for Trump.

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It is normal that the more right you go the more social and populist your policies become. That's why there is barely any difference between the extreme right and extreme left when it comes to social policies minus the immigration part.

There's a huge difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. The reason why people assume that they're similar, though, is because authoritarians are similar to each other.

It's not about authoritarian, it's about social policies. Extreme right wing parties run on a platform of family, tax cuts and supporting poor people and middle class, which is basically the same for the extreme left. Now if the right only only says it out of voter pandering that's another story. You'd be amazed on how many policies extreme right and left agree.



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Pagan on 06 May 2017

Te only people who are more right wingers are Erdogan and Hitler.



Scoobes on 06 May 2017
the_dark_lewd said:

The political compass doesn't really work when it comes to immigration.

Complete open borders immigration would count as highly libertarian on the political compass. Yet because it would let in millions of people who are themselves heavily authoritarian (as the majority of world cultures are), it would end in authoritarianism. Just indirectly.

Whereas authoritarianism on immigration can be in the service of preserving freedom. The freedom to draw insulting cartoons of prophets for example, is largely dependent on how much islamic immigration you've had.

Immigration is really only one issue. It asks a range of questions and averages scores based on all your views. 




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VGPolyglot on 06 May 2017
vivster said:
VGPolyglot said:

There's a huge difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. The reason why people assume that they're similar, though, is because authoritarians are similar to each other.

It's not about authoritarian, it's about social policies. Extreme right wing parties run on a platform of family, tax cuts and supporting poor people and middle class, which is basically the same for the extreme left. Now if the right only only says it out of voter pandering that's another story. You'd be amazed on how many policies extreme right and left agree.

I don't think you realize what extreme left is if you mean that they support tax cuts. The extreme left is socialism, which would not even run on a system of taxes.



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areason on 06 May 2017
RolStoppable said:
Le Pen is comfortably right wing on a social level. A graph based on economics doesn't change that, and it won't make people who identify as left vote for Le Pen.

Right wing is about economics and goverment structure, not about foreign policy or domestic policy.



areason on 06 May 2017
Pagan said:

Te only people who are more right wingers are Erdogan and Hitler.

Hitler was a socialist mate. 



Flilix on 06 May 2017
Shadow1980 said:

politicalcompass.org's charts are clearly very left-leaning. I mean, look at how they placed candidates in the U.S. over the past several election cycles:
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Your post makes sense, and looking at the placings of these people, the political compass is indeed very left-leaning.

However, when I do the test myself, I seem to be very left, even though I would consider myself to be economically moderate and socially moderate/right leaning.



LurkerJ on 06 May 2017
the_dark_lewd said:

The political compass doesn't really work when it comes to immigration.

Complete open borders immigration would count as highly libertarian on the political compass. Yet because it would let in millions of people who are themselves heavily authoritarian (as the majority of world cultures are), it would end in authoritarianism. Just indirectly.

Whereas authoritarianism on immigration can be in the service of preserving freedom. The freedom to draw insulting cartoons of prophets for example, is largely dependent on how much islamic immigration you've had.

Liberals shielding openly homophobic, anti-semite, Sharia-loving Muslims from criticism and asking us to be ok with the proliferation of the Islamic ideology in our societies has to be one of the strangest phenomenas.



Aeolus451 on 06 May 2017
LurkerJ said:
the_dark_lewd said:

The political compass doesn't really work when it comes to immigration.

Complete open borders immigration would count as highly libertarian on the political compass. Yet because it would let in millions of people who are themselves heavily authoritarian (as the majority of world cultures are), it would end in authoritarianism. Just indirectly.

Whereas authoritarianism on immigration can be in the service of preserving freedom. The freedom to draw insulting cartoons of prophets for example, is largely dependent on how much islamic immigration you've had.

Liberals shielding openly homophobic, anti-semite, Sharia-loving Muslims from criticism and asking us to be ok with the proliferation of the Islamic ideology in our societies has to be one of the strangest phenomenas.

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