Who do you think will be the next President of France? | |||
| Macron | 167 | 69.87% | |
| Le Pen | 72 | 30.13% | |
| Total: | 239 | ||
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| Hiku said: 33.9% is still alarmingly high. But at least France postponed the apocalypse for a few more years. |
I see it as them pouring hot tar over themselves and dying slowly rather than Le Pen putting two in between their eyes and being done with it. They were dead either way the moment Fillon was thrown out of the race...
The left will assume that these results mean that this is a return to the old normal, but they will be wrong. There is no way somebody Le Pen would have gotten anywhere near 34% of the vote in a socialist country like France even just 2 years ago. The left should be listening very closely to the warnings of people like Le Pen and start moderating their policies, but instead Macron's victory will embolden Europe's leadership to go back to a "business as usual" attitude and work even harder to label dissenting views as "hate speech." This will backfire badly: Brexit and Trump are just the canaries in the coal mine for what is to come in the next 3 - 4 years, the left should pay close attention to the concerns of these people, writing them all off as nazi's and radicals will be their undoing.
| Illusion said: The left will assume that these results mean that this is a return to the old normal, but they will be wrong. There is no way somebody Le Pen would have gotten anywhere near 34% of the vote in a socialist country like France even just 2 years ago. The left should be listening very closely to the warnings of people like Le Pen and start moderating their policies, but instead Macron's victory will embolden Europe's leadership to go back to a "business as usual" attitude and work even harder to label dissenting views as "hate speech." This will backfire badly: Brexit and Trump are just the canaries in the coal mine for what is to come in the next 3 - 4 years, the left should pay close attention to the concerns of these people, writing them all off as nazi's and radicals will be their undoing. |
This. The left can even do worse, adding insult to injury when they tell people they learned from their mistakes and they'll fix them, but then they either keep on doing the same or even worse.
| Illusion said: The left will assume that these results mean that this is a return to the old normal, but they will be wrong. There is no way somebody Le Pen would have gotten anywhere near 34% of the vote in a socialist country like France even just 2 years ago. The left should be listening very closely to the warnings of people like Le Pen and start moderating their policies, but instead Macron's victory will embolden Europe's leadership to go back to a "business as usual" attitude and work even harder to label dissenting views as "hate speech." This will backfire badly: Brexit and Trump are just the canaries in the coal mine for what is to come in the next 3 - 4 years, the left should pay close attention to the concerns of these people, writing them all off as nazi's and radicals will be their undoing. |
Please stop using the terms left/right like uniform masses...
if you are for/against immigration, censure, social redistribution, austerity, is to be viewed seperately, as they don't necessarily contradict each other.
If you oppose a specific idea, name it. Lumping all ideas (good or bad) together into 2 groups is an insult to the independant rationality of the individual.
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| Illusion said: The left will assume that these results mean that this is a return to the old normal, but they will be wrong. There is no way somebody Le Pen would have gotten anywhere near 34% of the vote in a socialist country like France even just 2 years ago. The left should be listening very closely to the warnings of people like Le Pen and start moderating their policies, but instead Macron's victory will embolden Europe's leadership to go back to a "business as usual" attitude and work even harder to label dissenting views as "hate speech." This will backfire badly: Brexit and Trump are just the canaries in the coal mine for what is to come in the next 3 - 4 years, the left should pay close attention to the concerns of these people, writing them all off as nazi's and radicals will be their undoing. |
Sadly, you may be right. Extreme right politicians will keep telling people what they want to hear, and a lot of people will be egoïstic and dumb enough to vote for them.
But that doesn't mean that other parties have to do the same. They have to do what's actually good, instead of doing things of which the people think they're good.
palou said:
Please stop using the terms left/right like uniform masses...
if you are for/against immigration, censure, social redistribution, austerity, is to be viewed seperately, as they don't necessarily contradict each other.
If you oppose a specific idea, name it. Lumping all ideas (good or bad) together into 2 groups is an insult to the independant rationality of the individual. |
People start being more independent in their opinions, but old parts of old parties still tend to lump a lot of ideas together as immutable monoliths. And this is one of the reasons why people are abandoning them.
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