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Forums - Politics Discussion - 2017 French Election (Macron Wins 66%)

 

Who do you think will be the next President of France?

Macron 167 69.87%
 
Le Pen 72 30.13%
 
Total:239
Shadow1980 said:
Aeolus451 said:

What he calls himself is very relevent to this. Political ideologies and their labels change over time to better reflect what's going on in the present. Don't blame the right wing when bernie fucking sanders labels himself as such when he ran against hilary clinton an in the demoratic primary. You mean must thinking that I'm talking about the left and right in relationship to france or europe but I'm not.

I can call myself the King of England but that wouldn't make it so. Whatever reason Bernie has for calling himself a "democratic socialist," it's just as erroneous when right-wingers spew out "socialist" or "Marxist" at anything they don't agree with. "Socialism" has a very specific meaning: public ownership of the means of production. This isn't a case of semantic drift we're dealing with here. It's the deliberate re-engineering of language for propaganda purposes. But right-wing pundits don't get to change its definition to suit their purposes.

You can call yourself whatever the hell ya want but bernie sanders is a well known politician belonging to the democratic party with a huge platform and he calls himself a democratic socialist. The cat is a bit out of the bag. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not. Not a single democrat complained of bernie using that term that I heard of. Some even liked it. Some probably voted for him because he described himself as such. To that bolded part, there's many types of socialism and some of bernie's political beliefs were socialist in nature. It's not that black and white. I'm sure more "democratic socialists" will sprout up on the regressive left in the near future. I'm not saying that democrats are socialists but there's clearly a prominent element of socialists mingled in there. They're definitely getting alot of support from american socialists and socialists elsewhere.  



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Aeolus451 said:
Shadow1980 said:

I can call myself the King of England but that wouldn't make it so. Whatever reason Bernie has for calling himself a "democratic socialist," it's just as erroneous when right-wingers spew out "socialist" or "Marxist" at anything they don't agree with. "Socialism" has a very specific meaning: public ownership of the means of production. This isn't a case of semantic drift we're dealing with here. It's the deliberate re-engineering of language for propaganda purposes. But right-wing pundits don't get to change its definition to suit their purposes.

You can call yourself whatever the hell ya want but bernie sanders is a well known politician belonging to the democratic party with a huge platform and he calls himself a democratic socialist. The cat is a bit out of the bag. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not. Not a single democrat complained of bernie using that term that I heard of. Some even liked it. Some probably voted for him because he described himself as such. To that bolded part, there's many types of socialism and some of bernie's political beliefs were socialist in nature. It's not that black and white. I'm sure more "democratic socialists" will sprout up on the regressive left in the near future. I'm not saying that democrats are socialists but there's clearly a prominent element of socialists mingled in there. They're definitely getting alot of support from american socialists and socialists elsewhere.  

Bernie Sanders is actually an independent. Beyond that, I'd actually like to see what positions he supports that actually make him a socialist? He supports universal healthcare, which is a mainstay of the western world outside of the US. He supports economic regulation, but that's still well on the spectrum of mixed-economics.

I really fail to see what he believes in that makes him a socialist?



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WagnerPaiva said:
NewGuy said:

One can only hope, WagnerPaiva, one can only hope...

I am like that squid that pick the world cup winners. I said Trump would win and now I say Le Pen will win. Money in the bank.

You wanna bet on that? I'd be up for it...

 

Also, are your musical preferences referenced byyour profil name, or is that something else? Love myself some wagner...



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Normchacho said:
Aeolus451 said:

You can call yourself whatever the hell ya want but bernie sanders is a well known politician belonging to the democratic party with a huge platform and he calls himself a democratic socialist. The cat is a bit out of the bag. It doesn't matter if you agree with him or not. Not a single democrat complained of bernie using that term that I heard of. Some even liked it. Some probably voted for him because he described himself as such. To that bolded part, there's many types of socialism and some of bernie's political beliefs were socialist in nature. It's not that black and white. I'm sure more "democratic socialists" will sprout up on the regressive left in the near future. I'm not saying that democrats are socialists but there's clearly a prominent element of socialists mingled in there. They're definitely getting alot of support from american socialists and socialists elsewhere.  

Bernie Sanders is actually an independent. Beyond that, I'd actually like to see what positions he supports that actually make him a socialist? He supports universal healthcare, which is a mainstay of the western world outside of the US. He supports economic regulation, but that's still well on the spectrum of mixed-economics.

I really fail to see what he believes in that makes him a socialist?

The fact that he's a leftist in a country with no left... 



palou said:
WagnerPaiva said:

I am like that squid that pick the world cup winners. I said Trump would win and now I say Le Pen will win. Money in the bank.

You wanna bet on that? I'd be up for it...

 

Also, are your musical preferences referenced byyour profil name, or is that something else? Love myself some wagner...

Wagner is great. However, here in Brazil some people use it as a first name. So, I am sorry to say, my first name is Wagner...

Not my fault at all, protecting kids from bullying is a alien concept to brazilian parents.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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WagnerPaiva said:
palou said:

You wanna bet on that? I'd be up for it...

 

Also, are your musical preferences referenced byyour profil name, or is that something else? Love myself some wagner...

Wagner is great. However, here in Brazil some people use it as a first name. So, I am sorry to say, my first name is Wagner...

Not my fault at all, protecting kids from bullying is a alien concept to brazilian parents.

My condolences! XD

No, just joking, it serves just fine as a name.

 

So, you up for the bet?

 

We can add some fun losing conditions...



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palou said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Wagner is great. However, here in Brazil some people use it as a first name. So, I am sorry to say, my first name is Wagner...

Not my fault at all, protecting kids from bullying is a alien concept to brazilian parents.

My condolences! XD

No, just joking, it serves just fine as a name.

 

So, you up for the bet?

 

We can add some fun losing conditions...

What do you have in mind?



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WagnerPaiva said:
palou said:

My condolences! XD

No, just joking, it serves just fine as a name.

 

So, you up for the bet?

 

We can add some fun losing conditions...

What do you have in mind?

If Macron gets elected, you change your profile pic (picture on the left, I think?) to a standard (nothing added, clean image) EU flag and add Freude Schöner Götter Funken, in bold, large and all capitals, on top of your signature. (For 2 months, starting May 10th, I think, is goodenough.) Put Beethovens 9th symphony, 4th movement as the music preference.

 

If Marine le Pen gets elected... be creative, it's your losing condition! Something similar, fitting to the political theme, some political motive I won't like (it IS a losing condition), also for 2 months, starting May 10th, so we know the definitive results. 

 

 

Also: you're allowed to mention the bet during the 2 months, if someone asks, but not make it part of your standard interface.



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palou said:
WagnerPaiva said:

What do you have in mind?

If Macron gets elected, you change your profile pic (picture on the left, I think?) to a standard (nothing added, clean image) EU flag and add Freude Schöner Götter Funken, in bold, large and all capitals, on top of your signature. (For 2 months, starting May 10th, I think, is goodenough.) 

 

If Marine le Pen gets elected... be creative, it's your losing condition! Something similar, fitting to the political theme, some political motive I won't like (it IS a losing condition), also for 2 months, starting May 10th, so we know the definitive results. 

 

 

Also: you're allowed to mention the bet during the 2 months, if someone asks, but not make it part of your standard interface.

No way man. Lol



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WagnerPaiva said:
palou said:

If Macron gets elected, you change your profile pic (picture on the left, I think?) to a standard (nothing added, clean image) EU flag and add Freude Schöner Götter Funken, in bold, large and all capitals, on top of your signature. (For 2 months, starting May 10th, I think, is goodenough.) 

 

If Marine le Pen gets elected... be creative, it's your losing condition! Something similar, fitting to the political theme, some political motive I won't like (it IS a losing condition), also for 2 months, starting May 10th, so we know the definitive results. 

 

 

Also: you're allowed to mention the bet during the 2 months, if someone asks, but not make it part of your standard interface.

No way man. Lol

Common, it's a bet, it's supposed to be a bit painful...

 

Though if you insist on making it lighter, go ahead and propose something.



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