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Cerebralbore101 on 01 April 2017
BasilZero said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

And to be fair, PS4 really does have more quality games than PC at this point.

2017

Nioh
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Yakuza 0
Gravity Rush 2
Persona 5

2016

Uncharted 4
Odin Sphere
Ratchet and Clank
Final Fantasy XV
Dragon Quest Builders
The Last Guardian
Gravity Rush Remastered
Hatsune Miku: Project Diva X
Rigs: Mechanized Combat League

2015

Disgaea 5
Arkham Knight (Pretty much a console exclusive since it is a buggy pile on PC.)
Bloodborne

2014

LittleBigPlanet 3
inFamous Second Son

 

Tastes regarding which are better games is subjective to each and every user which is fine and all

But at least post accurate information and not information bias shedding positive light for a particular platform.

 

Your lists have inaccurate information. Most of what you listed arent PS4 exclusive.Like FFXV is also on Xbox One, games like Odin Sphere,DQB and Hatsune Miku are on Vita, and games like LBP3 and Persona 5 are on PS3.

Those games aren't on PC, so they are appropriate for comparing PS4 and PC libraries.



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Cerebralbore101 on 01 April 2017
Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

I'm suggesting that the PS4 is better because it has more quality exclusives. Comparing the PC's decades long back catalog to a console that launched in 2013 isn't a fair comparison at all. A better comparison would be to line up exclusives year by year. What games did PS3 get in 2007-2013? What games did PC get in those same years? Were any of those games well recieved by critics? I think, when you answer these questions with an open mind you find that the PS3 beat the PC in it's heyday. Same goes for the PS2 vs PC games from 2001-2006, and PS1 vs PC games from 1995-2000.

The thread asks if PC is a safer choice due to the volatility of the console market. Of course it's a loaded question to begin with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question The console market isn't volatile and hasn't been for 30 years. Sony has been pumping out quality content at a steady rate for the last 20+ years. My statement and list was an attempt to show that Sony is just as strong and safe a bet as ever.

So it's a loaded question and thus PC isn'ta safe purchase at all because it doesn't have any number of quality games as consoles have been beating PC every single year for well over a decade?.

Somehow I don't find that a fair comparisson at all. You won't include the list because you think that's not fair, yet your way of listing things has put PC at the backseat for mroe than a decade without any fighting chances at all, as well as calling the entire thread a loaded question.

I remember when the Vita and 3DS were going head to head, Vita fans used to argue that it was the better system, because of all the PSX classics you could play on it. Hindsight shows that the 3DS was just a better system.

Back when the 360 and PS3 were getting off the ground, you could have argued that the Wii had "more games than the competitors" thanks to the Virtual Console. Even as a diehard Wii fan, I would never have made such a bad argument. 

I don't think I'm being unfair. I'm just holding the PC to the same standards that I held the Vita and Wii to.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like the PC. It has lots of cool exclusives that I'm interested in playing like...

Civ VI
Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun
Hearts of Iron
Pillars of Eternity
Homeworld Remastered Collection
Galactic Civilizations III
Age of Wonders III

I wish the rest of the industry would take notes from the Indie scene on steam. Less of a focus on cutting edge graphics, and more of a focus on fun. Ethical work practices. More than fair pricing.



Chazore on 01 April 2017
Cerebralbore101 said:

I remember when the Vita and 3DS were going head to head, Vita fans used to argue that it was the better system, because of all the PSX classics you could play on it. Hindsight shows that the 3DS was just a better system.

Back when the 360 and PS3 were getting off the ground, you could have argued that the Wii had "more games than the competitors" thanks to the Virtual Console. Even as a diehard Wii fan, I would never have made such a bad argument. 

I don't think I'm being unfair. I'm just holding the PC to the same standards that I held the Vita and Wii to.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like the PC. It has lots of cool exclusives that I'm interested in playing like...

Civ VI
Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun
Hearts of Iron
Pillars of Eternity
Homeworld Remastered Collection
Galactic Civilizations III
Age of Wonders III

I wish the rest of the industry would take notes from the Indie scene on steam. Less of a focus on cutting edge graphics, and more of a focus on fun. Ethical work practices. More than fair pricing.

Except the 3DS also had backwards compat like the Vita did, so really the 3DS was the PC and the Vita, well the Vita.

Liking the PC or not, you're still cutting off it's good points and aren't cutting anything back for the console side of things.

 

The indie scene on Steam has a ton of crapshoots, with greenlight still existing and not being sorted out. Yes, eevryone should be looking at the one hit wonder indie's that make it big, but not the ones that keep buying Unit assets and trying to sell a cobbled together crapshoot for £10 a pop.

What's wrong with the industry going the way it is right now, with all sorts of games pandering to all kinds of crowds, why does half of my want for good visuals and gameplay have to suffer?. I love indie, retro and modern games, but I also love unique art styles and cutting edge visuals, I'd rather everything not be reduced to one single view.



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GarlandSteve74 on 01 April 2017

PC has and always will the safer/better choice.

-Bigger library than all consoles combined.

-Better game prices.

-Far, FAR more exclusives.

-Lower cost to get up and running.

-No yearly subscription fee

-Open system

-More customization

-More controller options

-Better features

-Emulation

-Upgradable

I could go on and on but I think I've made my point.





Cerebralbore101 on 01 April 2017
Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

I remember when the Vita and 3DS were going head to head, Vita fans used to argue that it was the better system, because of all the PSX classics you could play on it. Hindsight shows that the 3DS was just a better system.

Back when the 360 and PS3 were getting off the ground, you could have argued that the Wii had "more games than the competitors" thanks to the Virtual Console. Even as a diehard Wii fan, I would never have made such a bad argument. 

I don't think I'm being unfair. I'm just holding the PC to the same standards that I held the Vita and Wii to.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like the PC. It has lots of cool exclusives that I'm interested in playing like...

Civ VI
Shadow Tactics Blades of the Shogun
Hearts of Iron
Pillars of Eternity
Homeworld Remastered Collection
Galactic Civilizations III
Age of Wonders III

I wish the rest of the industry would take notes from the Indie scene on steam. Less of a focus on cutting edge graphics, and more of a focus on fun. Ethical work practices. More than fair pricing.

Except the 3DS also had backwards compat like the Vita did, so really the 3DS was the PC and the Vita, well the Vita.

Liking the PC or not, you're still cutting off it's good points and aren't cutting anything back for the console side of things.

 

The indie scene on Steam has a ton of crapshoots, with greenlight still existing and not being sorted out. Yes, eevryone should be looking at the one hit wonder indie's that make it big, but not the ones that keep buying Unit assets and trying to sell a cobbled together crapshoot for £10 a pop.

What's wrong with the industry going the way it is right now, with all sorts of games pandering to all kinds of crowds, why does half of my want for good visuals and gameplay have to suffer?. I love indie, retro and modern games, but I also love unique art styles and cutting edge visuals, I'd rather everything not be reduced to one single view.

3DS didn't play the majority of N64 games on top of being backwards compatible with DS. Vita had PSP, PS2, PS3 (to an extent) and PSX libraries backing it up. Not to mention people were claiming that the Vita could emulate DS and GBA games.

Greenlight is a big mess right now for sure.

You're right, it is best to have all sorts of games for different tastes.



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Cerebralbore101 on 01 April 2017
Kudistos Megistos said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

I'm suggesting that the PS4 is better because it has more quality exclusives. Comparing the PC's decades long back catalog to a console that launched in 2013 isn't a fair comparison at all. A better comparison would be to line up exclusives year by year. What games did PS3 get in 2007-2013? What games did PC get in those same years? Were any of those games well recieved by critics? I think, when you answer these questions with an open mind you find that the PS3 beat the PC in it's heyday. Same goes for the PS2 vs PC games from 2001-2006, and PS1 vs PC games from 1995-2000.

The thread asks if PC is a safer choice due to the volatility of the console market. Of course it's a loaded question to begin with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question The console market isn't volatile and hasn't been for 30 years. Sony has been pumping out quality content at a steady rate for the last 20+ years. My statement and list was an attempt to show that Sony is just as strong and safe a bet as ever.

Every time a thread like this comes up, you can be sure that someone will use this hilarious logic.

"Oh, it's not fair that the PC has near-perfect backwards compatibility with virtually every PC game released in the last 20 years, so I'm going to compare a small section of the PC library to the entirity of my favourite console's library! That will be fair!"

No.

One of the strengths of the PC as a platform is that it can play a much wider selection of games. You don't get to arbitrarily exclude one of a platform's biggest advantages just because your favourite platform can't hope to compete in that respect. The PC has a wider library that goes back much further than any console, and it's something that any PC gamer can take advantage of. This adds value to the PC and it's totally fair to bring up this fact in any comparison between the various gaming platforms.

This is a clear example of not seeing the forest for the trees.

"Nintendo has sold 700 million hardware units! That's more than Microsoft and Sony combined! Clearly Nintendo is the better manufacturer." - If Nintendo fans used the same logic as the PC-Only crowd.

What's wrong with that statement? Nintendo has steadily lost market share with each new generation. Nintendo was in bussiness much longer than the other console makers. Nintendo also does handhelds on top of consoles.

"PC has MORE games than all the other consoles COMBINED!"

Except that 90% of the games on PC can be played on your grandmother's PC. A massive chunk of those games can be bought at a used game shop for PS3/PS2/360. Console exclusives far surpass PC exclusives on a generation by generation basis. In order to build a PC that was guarunteed to play AAA games until 2020 you'd have to spend a lot more than the net $240 cost of a PS4. Meanwhile the PS4 will play new AAA games till then and beyond.



Shiken on 01 April 2017
Sticky said:
Just don't buy new consoles.

I don't know why people do when there's no games, goofy firmware and unreliable hardware.

That being said, Sony is a pretty reliable bet, looking throughout history for a day 1 purchase.

The PS4 was just about as bare bones at launch as the Switch is now.  Remember when people were complaining about how the PS4 could not even do things that the PS3 could?  That said, it has come a long way.

 

I buy all consoles at launch for two reasons.  One is that there is NEVER a game coming that I want but cannot get.  The other is because there MUST be early adopters for 3rd party to even gauge wether or not they want to put their games on it.  If everyone had the mindset that you should never buy at launch, previous generations would have dragged on even longer as 3rd parties would be less motivated to produce exclusive software that takes advantage the new tech as there would be no one to buy said products.

 

I understand why you and others would rather wait, but trust me there is a good reason why us early adopters buy at launch regardless of the risk.



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Lawlight on 01 April 2017

The console market cannot be called volatile because the PS consoles have been consistent over 4 generations now.



Lawlight on 01 April 2017
Shiken said:
Sticky said:
Just don't buy new consoles.

I don't know why people do when there's no games, goofy firmware and unreliable hardware.

That being said, Sony is a pretty reliable bet, looking throughout history for a day 1 purchase.

The PS4 was just about as bare bones at launch as the Switch is now.  Remember when people were complaining about how the PS4 could not even do things that the PS3 could?  That said, it has come a long way.

 

I buy all consoles at launch for two reasons.  One is that there is NEVER a game coming that I want but cannot get.  The other is because there MUST be early adopters for 3rd party to even gauge wether or not they want to put their games on it.  If everyone had the mindset that you should never buy at launch, previous generations would have dragged on even longer as 3rd parties would be less motivated to produce exclusive software that takes advantage the new tech as there would be no one to buy said products.

 

I understand why you and others would rather wait, but trust me there is a good reason why us early adopters buy at launch regardless of the risk.

Incorrect. The PS4 had way more games than the Switch at launch. You simply cannot say they had similar launch line-ups.



dgboweniii on 01 April 2017

Im a PC guy, but the argument for a console right now with PS4 is a big as its ever been.  What the machine is doing for the price, and with all those exclusives, plus all the multiplats?

I have a top end gaming rig, and bought a PS4 Slim just for the exclusives.  Cant really go wrong with a PS4.  The Switch is also something different and is relevant.

Xbox is in the very dangerous no man's land, no reason to own an xbox one whatsoever, and that wont change for Scorpio without some complelling exclusives, which apparantly are not coming as all Microsoft games release day and date on PC.