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Soundwave said:

 

Yes. Trump is even on record saying he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose his supporters. 

The only thing that would maybe do it for him if that pee-pee tape actually ever leaked (no pun intended). 

Trump does things on a weekly basis that would sink many other politicans period. Every week he does something stupid. The Twitter stuff is just idiotic, he's hte president of the United States, having Twitter wars over TV ratings for the new Apprentice reality TV show and Saturday Night Live skits. It's a 9-year-old for president. 

Hillary throws tantrums when she gets upset. It has been reported by many people, not just on news, but people who have worked alongside her. That's pretty 9-year old if you ask me, but that's just how she is.

And I disagree. The whole Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street isn't even his own words. He was quoting an article. This is what he said: "And you know what they say about my people? The Polls. They say I have the most loyal people...did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters. Ok. It's like Incredible." It wasn't like he said "I have the most loyal people that would do anything" and then followed it up with "I can get away with First Degree Murder and still retain my supporters." Had he said that, then you would be right and he would've pretty much insulted his own supporters.

If you showed me his words on policies and they were outrageous, then I would agree that he's loopy. If Hillary's campaign had just moved past trying to quote mine everything Trump said and taking his jokes to heart and focused on the important issues at hand, she would have became president.



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Soundwave said:
Moonlighter said:
Honestly, another candidate saying the same thing Trump said about grabbing a woman by the genitalia wouldn't have hurt his chances as it didn't do with Trump. People just took that tape and ran with it because they needed a reason to be offended. I've heard way worse between guys talking about women at work. Women also say sexual things about men, too - You just won't hear her say it publically as more men tend to do. Heck, my coworker who is a female explained to me one hilarious incident. A new girl she was training at work told her that she would jump on her friend as if he were a pole and ride him up and down, lol. If this were something Hillary said years ago, the Liberal press would've stayed silent.  

Quite the opposite. 

No other person could've won the presidency if that was on tape. Nobody. Not Clinton or Obama, Clinton was already at the end of his second term when the Lewinsky stuff broke so people didn't care, but if something like that came out during the election, he would've been sunk.

Trump gets away with a lot of shit many other candidates wouldn't, in fact the double standard is glaring, people killed Hilary for emails, yet Trump is tweeting on an unsecured Android phone, using a private email server, his VP's email was hacked into just recently too, but no one gives two craps about any of that. 

Trump has succeeded in lowering the bar for behavior so low that people just expect him to behave like a child. No one else would be able to get away with that.

what's scary is that someone can hack his Twitter and cause big problems. Someone can badmouth a company to send their stocks flying. They can also send threats against a country and make all hell break loose



Moonlighter said:
I almost read the title of this forum as "Trump is becoming a woman." I need some sleep. >_<

Aw, that's cute. <3

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Moonlighter said:
Soundwave said:

Yes. Trump is even on record saying he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose his supporters. 

The only thing that would maybe do it for him if that pee-pee tape actually ever leaked (no pun intended). 

Trump does things on a weekly basis that would sink many other politicans period. Every week he does something stupid. The Twitter stuff is just idiotic, he's hte president of the United States, having Twitter wars over TV ratings for the new Apprentice reality TV show and Saturday Night Live skits. It's a 9-year-old for president. 

Hillary throws tantrums when she gets upset. It has been reported by many people, not just on news, but people who have worked alongside her. That's pretty 9-year old if you ask me, but that's just how she is.

And I disagree. The whole Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street isn't even his own words. He was quoting an article. This is what he said: "And you know what they say about my people? The Polls. They say I have the most loyal people...did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters. Ok. It's like Incredible." It wasn't like he said "I have the most loyal people that would do anything" and then followed it up with "I can get away with First Degree Murder and still retain my supporters." Had he said that, then you would be right and he would've pretty much insulted his own supporters.

If you showed me his words on policies and they were outrageous, then I would agree that he's loopy. If Hillary's campaign had just moved past trying to quote mine everything Trump said and taking his jokes to heart and focused on the important issues at hand, she would have became president.

This is actually pretty classic Trump, he'll attribute a quote or saying that he actually wants to say, but can double away from it but saying he was just quoting someone else. 

There's zero accountability for anything that comes out of his mouth. Other popular "Trump-isms" are the classic "something's going on", like he will claim something, be corrected or it will be shown to be false, then he will say "well I don't know about all that, but something is going on" or something to that effect. 

If he's wrong on something he'll just go quiet on it or try to hand wave it away rather than ever admitting he was wrong. 

For example he harrassed President Obama about the birth certificate conspiracies and loudly claimed he'd pay $5 million to any charity of Obama's choice if he produced his birth certificate. Well Obama produced the certificate, and wouldn't you know it ... Trump never paid a dime and quietly never mentioned the $5 million boast again. 

This is a man who isn't of very high moral character to begin with but he's adept at creating a character that can deflect, basically learned from his years in reality TV and wrestling cameos. It's fine to get upset, throw a tantrum whatever once in a while, adults do that. The way he conducts his general presidency with petty sniping on Twitter and all that is beneath the office, no president, even W. Bush was far more professional and dignified. 



Soundwave said:
Moonlighter said:

Hillary throws tantrums when she gets upset. It has been reported by many people, not just on news, but people who have worked alongside her. That's pretty 9-year old if you ask me,

  

 

This is actually pretty classic Trump, he'll attribute a quote or saying that he actually wants to say, but can double away from it but saying he was just quoting someone else. 

There's zero accountability for anything that comes out of his mouth. Other popular "Trump-isms" are the classic "something's going on", like he will claim something, be corrected or it will be shown to be false, then he will say "well I don't know about all that, but something is going on" or something to that effect. 

If he's wrong on something he'll just go quiet on it or try to hand wave it away rather than ever admitting he was wrong. 

For example he harrassed President Obama about the birth certificate conspiracies and loudly claimed he'd pay $5 million to any charity of Obama's choice if he produced his birth certificate. Well Obama produced the certificate, and wouldn't you know it ... Trump never paid a dime and quietly never mentioned the $5 million boast again. 

This is a man who isn't of very high moral character to begin with but he's adept at creating a character that can deflect, basically learned from his years in reality TV and wrestling cameos. It's fine to get upset, throw a tantrum whatever once in a while, adults do that. The way he conducts his general presidency with petty sniping on Twitter and all that is beneath the office, no president, even W. Bush was far more professional and dignified. 

"There's zero accountability for anything that comes from his mouth." We all know Hillary isn't a saint in this department, either. Like I said, had she approached the election in a different manner, she would've won.



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LadyJasmine said:
As a women, I can say that Trump won on the issues and It upsets but its true.

Multiple personalities?



Soundwave said:
As a guy I'll say straight up there are differences in how men in particular view women in power.

Playing on a rec league hockey team for example I know that the guys will get more upset if it's a woman that blows a call and it will soon turn to "that bitch doesn't know what she's doing" and we've had more players kicked out of games for yelling at a woman ref versus a guy.

I do think if Hilary was say ... Bill Clinton (but not having been president before and thus not having the same baggage) he probably would've won that election.

It's not like Hilary even lost by much, it was basically about 60,000 votes she couldn't hold in states that usually vote Democrat that tipped the scales.

For most candidates that "grabbing the Pussy tape" pretty much would've sunk them, but Trump had a chance due to several issues that made Hilary a weaker candidate.

Doesn't this video show thought that being a woman Trump woudl still win. So how does Hillary being a woman matter.

Also, the 60,000 votes thing is not totlaly true at all. The 3 states that were recounted, fairly certain one of them was over 60k itself. Plus those three states where not the 3 closest states even. There was at least one that Clinton won, that was closer than another that was recounted.