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numberwang said:

Meanwhile in reality the DEFCON level has been lowered to the safest level because of the deescalation by Trump with nuclear Russia.

Defcon nuclear threat REDUCED to safest level following Donald Trump victory

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732135/donald-trump-election-defcon-reduced-level-5-safest-level

How dare you use facts against anti-Trump supporters?



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betacon said:
Yea nar, worse than the height of the cold war I don't think so.

It could probably be somehow argued that the situation actually is worse, but I'm not going to do that because it's not my point. Our understanding of the world has probably evolved a lot ever since, so it's also quite possible the numbers aren't directly comparable. However, what's important here is the direction of the change: it says we've moved a bit to the worse direction.

KingofTrolls said:
If Trump will make a pact with Putin ( what is very possible ) there is no threat at all.

Sure, to the US. If the US ignores the rest of the world just to ensure its own peace, it leaves Russia with more room to act according to its own interests, which seem to be related to other nations quite often. I'm sure we can both agree that what (and is still happening, to an extent) happened in Ukraine did not make the world a more peaceful place.

numberwang said:

Meanwhile in reality the DEFCON level has been lowered to the safest level because of the deescalation by Trump with nuclear Russia.

Defcon nuclear threat REDUCED to safest level following Donald Trump victory

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732135/donald-trump-election-defcon-reduced-level-5-safest-level

That's a fully American point of view. There sure is almost no (direct) threat against the US if Trump leaves other nations free to do whatever they wish among each other. The doomsday clock is looking at the big picture though, which is a different thing.



numberwang said:

Meanwhile in reality the DEFCON level has been lowered to the safest level because of the deescalation by Trump with nuclear Russia.

Defcon nuclear threat REDUCED to safest level following Donald Trump victory

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732135/donald-trump-election-defcon-reduced-level-5-safest-level

Well of course. The US was just annexed.



Zkuq said:

KingofTrolls said:
If Trump will make a pact with Putin ( what is very possible ) there is no threat at all.

Sure, to the US. If the US ignores the rest of the world just to ensure its own peace, it leaves Russia with more room to act according to its own interests, which seem to be related to other nations quite often. I'm sure we can both agree that what (and is still happening, to an extent) happened in Ukraine did not make the world a more peaceful place.

War is always a bad thing, yes we can agree on it. We can only hope that they will find a solution with diplomacy.

I know it's not beuatufil, but war are sometimes the only option.



wow a virtual clock to death.

better odds of finding a unicorn. 



 

 

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KingofTrolls said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

1.You guys really think Putin is your buddy?

2.You really think Putin will just sit back as both NATO and the EU weaken?

3.Forget Eastern Europe, have you seen what happens to people INSIDE Russia once Putin sees them as a threat?

4.Its shocking how calm so many people are about all this.

1. Yes, he has an account here. 

2. Yes, he is playing time. EU will fall sooner or later, USA will - highly likely - start confrontation witch China, and Russia is mandatory ally in this project. NATO ? Well, it's basically USA + Turkey if we talk about serious military capability. Also, Russia has no desire for NATO sphere. They dont even want a whole Ukraine, only eastern part.

3. People inside russia ? - Well, 1.8 birthrate for woman is already higher than in the EU.   awesome net national income growth during whole Putin's terms, just weaken by santcions, booming agriculture sector etc. Long story short - Russian people quality of life is improving, just partially blocked last 2 years. U dont get 70% votes if u are unpopular, just like Western puppets in Russia are.

4. Im realistic. That's the way I am.

 

BTW - Im from Eastern Europe, and what I can say - our elders say Soviet domination was more democratic and more friendly for our economy than current USA/EU/corps/banksters etc.

Lol, Russia's economy is shit and not just because of sanctions (which Putin is to blame for as well by the way). Also Russia has a life expectancy average of only 70. That's 8-10 years lower than civilized countries. 

Also read this:

http://time.com/3998248/these-5-facts-explain-russias-economic-decline/



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:

Lol, Russia's economy is shit and not just because of sanctions (which Putin is to blame for as well by the way). Also Russia has a life expectancy average of only 70. That's 8-10 years lower than civilized countries. 

Also read this:

http://time.com/3998248/these-5-facts-explain-russias-economic-decline/

Are u joking, right ? This is the last time I will aswer a quote like this one. If u want to discuss this way - dont bother to quote me anymore.

 Russian economy is now 6th by PPP, and that is with 14% debt to GPD ratio. This combination is - if we talk about economics - just an overkill compared to Western economies. And, in opposition to all rest of the word, their debt is decreasing, comrade. Last year it decreased by 17%

Here is the story of their GDP

Year19992000200120022003200420052006200720082009201020112012201320142015
% GDP 6.4 10.0 5.1 4.7 7.3 7.2 6.4 8.2 8.5 5.2 -7.8 4.5 4.3 3.4 1.3 0.6 -3.7

Of course they have problems now with inflation,sanctions,low oil prices, budget deficit etc - but every country has its economic problems right now, and Russian economy is expected to growth this year.



KingofTrolls said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Lol, Russia's economy is shit and not just because of sanctions (which Putin is to blame for as well by the way). Also Russia has a life expectancy average of only 70. That's 8-10 years lower than civilized countries. 

Also read this:

http://time.com/3998248/these-5-facts-explain-russias-economic-decline/

Are u joking, right ? This is the last time I will aswer a quote like this one. If u want to discuss this way - dont bother to quote me anymore.

 Russian economy is now 6th by PPP, and that is with 14% debt to GPD ratio. This combination is - if we talk about economics - just an overkill compared to Western economies. And, in opposition to all rest of the word, their debt is decreasing, comrade. Last year it decreased by 17%

Here is the story of their GDP

Year19992000200120022003200420052006200720082009201020112012201320142015
% GDP 6.4 10.0 5.1 4.7 7.3 7.2 6.4 8.2 8.5 5.2 -7.8 4.5 4.3 3.4 1.3 0.6 -3.7

Of course they have problems now with inflation,sanctions,low oil prices, budget deficit etc - but every country has its economic problems right now, and Russian economy is expected to growth this year.

It's not hard to grow if your economy is pathetically small. South Korea has a bigger economy than Russia, lol. I'm stating facts here: Russians are drinking themselves to death. It's hardly the great country you're describing it at. It has a terrible life expectancy, among other things. Russian men can beat their spouses now without fear of being sent to prison. Not to mention how incredibly homophobic Russian society is. 

Also, sixth at what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

I guess Kennedy was a bad president? I mean the cuban missle crisis almost resulted in nuclear war, and it happened under him. Jesus Christ, stuff like this is stupid. I mean rising nationalism? I'm sure there is a reason for that...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

SubiyaCryolite said:
KingofTrolls said:
If Trump will make a pact with Putin ( what is very possible ) there is no threat at all.

You guys really think Putin is your buddy? You really think Putin will just sit back as both NATO and the EU weaken?

Forget Eastern Europe, have you seen what happens to people INSIDE Russia once Putin sees them as a threat?

Its shocking how calm so many people are about all this.

Oh I'm sorry, so persuing bad relations are better? Would you like to see another cold war split over one island and a few russian majority area's in Ukraine? They have Iran and even Turkey to act as a buffer into parts of Europe and the ME. So yeah, you want to continue stirring shit, I wonder what that'll cause. I want to remind everyone this is all happening because of NATO's expansion after the cold war, which the US promised wouldn't happen. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).