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It's possible today, but it's nowhere near being mobile. The nVidia Tegra for self driving cars can reach a max of 8 TFLOPS FP32, but it's max power consumption is 80w. So good luck running that for more than 5 seconds on the bulkiest and heaviest 10 inch tablet in the world.

Though you have to factor in that by the end of 2018, 5nmFF will probably already be in the works, we'll have cores more efficient than the likes of the A73 and GPU architecture for mobile devices even more efficient than Pascal used in the current generation Tegra chips, that's not hard to believe at all. I doubt you'll see 2 TFLOPS in your standard 2018/2019 flagship because there wouldn't be games to take advantage of that power, but perhaps for a cheaper, smaller and more efficient PC or Laptop or maybe on of those AiO VR devices, it would make a lot of sense.

Unless we suddenly jump on the Microsoft bandwagon of docking your phone and running full x86 apps on it with a monitor, keyboard and mouse they won't have 2 TFLOPS on smartphones, maybe 1 TFLOP if games and apps become more demanding and closer to PC/console, but even then they'd probably be downclocked while on the go to conserve power. But hey, not a lot of people then thought that ARM would beat the PS3/X360 in terms of GPU performance, but nVidia and Apple already can double that performance. So who knows.



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The big problem is the small install base of the high end uber devices running on arm, sure there are tons of arm chips in everyday devices and we all own them but most of them are years behind to the high-end lol, even worse then on pc I think.

So they are never gonna really develop for that elite 0.1%




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Intrinsic said:
Doesn't someone say this every single year?

Yup :)

http://toucharcade.com/2016/02/16/arm-mobile-outperform-ps4-xbox-one/ (2016)

http://wccftech.com/exynos-7420-compares-playstation/ (2015)

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190105-does-the-iphone-6-actually-have-console-quality-graphics (2014)

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1 (2013)

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/phone-graphics-will-surpass-game-consoles-soon-says-nvidia-1077004 (2012)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-08-mobile-tech-to-overtake-ps3-360-soon (2011)
https://www.slashgear.com/arm-looks-to-provide-mali-mobile-gpu-with-ps3-and-xbox-360-power-in-next-18-months-05163075/ (2011)

http://www.gamesradar.com/can-cell-phone-graphics-hit-ps3-quality-in-3-years/ (2010)



So There are already phones much more powerful than à Switch ? Thats pretty disappointing knowing thé Switch could have Been more powerful



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Means nothing without devices and software. I'll take a mobile X86 chip over ARM any day. Hopefully we will get mobile devices from Sony and Microsoft based on X86. A new Surface Phone and a PlayStation Phone that can run PS4/XBO software would be a major shot in the arm (pun intended) for the mobile space.



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Ljink96 said:
Moores law of course. It's bound to happen. Will it fully happen in 2017? I have my doubts. But make no mistake, it's going to happen.

In terms of real world performance, I dont think it ll be possible in 2017.

Maybe once they have perfected 5nm node?

Intel "should" have 5nm in 2022.

Arm? abit lateron, but Id like to see what the ARM chip of 2024 looks like.

By then? they might be able to do a mobile phone equal to a PS4.



SvennoJ said:
Intrinsic said:
Doesn't someone say this every single year?

Yup :)

http://toucharcade.com/2016/02/16/arm-mobile-outperform-ps4-xbox-one/ (2016)

http://wccftech.com/exynos-7420-compares-playstation/ (2015)

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190105-does-the-iphone-6-actually-have-console-quality-graphics (2014)

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1 (2013)

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/phone-graphics-will-surpass-game-consoles-soon-says-nvidia-1077004 (2012)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-07-08-mobile-tech-to-overtake-ps3-360-soon (2011)
https://www.slashgear.com/arm-looks-to-provide-mali-mobile-gpu-with-ps3-and-xbox-360-power-in-next-18-months-05163075/ (2011)

http://www.gamesradar.com/can-cell-phone-graphics-hit-ps3-quality-in-3-years/ (2010)

Haha, thanks for this... I knew I had read something like this literally every single year. I honestly don't even know why they bother.

JRPGfan said:
Ljink96 said:
Moores law of course. It's bound to happen. Will it fully happen in 2017? I have my doubts. But make no mistake, it's going to happen.

In terms of real world performance, I dont think it ll be possible in 2017.

Maybe once they have perfected 5nm node?

Intel "should" have 5nm in 2022.

Arm? abit lateron, but Id like to see what the ARM chip of 2024 looks like.

By then? they might be able to do a mobile phone equal to a PS4.

Yh sure no doubt.... but if you are looking at that then you also seem to be missing something. By then, what do you think consoles would be able to do with a 5nm chip? :)

And thats whats funny about this, and why I don't get why these mobile processor types even bother. If we just do a direct scale of the PS4 but using a 5nm process, we would have a GPU that will be pushing at least 28TF!!!!! And lets not talk about memory types and bandwidths...etc. Its simple really, using the same tech, console will have a bigger chip than mobile processors could ever have and those bigger chips will also be designed to draw significantly more power and even have cooling fans etc..... things a mobil processor just isn't designed to be.



Sure they can.

Such a chip would also burn out of a 8000 MaH battery in 30 minutes with a screen and require it's own fan and heatsink to function.

Also these numbers are likely very "loose" on what they define as parity, 800 GFLOPS in their eyes probably would mean equivalent to PS4/XB1.



Aerys said:
So There are already phones much more powerful than à Switch ? Thats pretty disappointing knowing thé Switch could have Been more powerful

Snapdragon 835 (coming in the Galaxy S8) is rumored to be 700 gflops
http://www.tudocelular.com/tech/noticias/n85571/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-desempenho-menor-consumo.html

The phone will cost 599 pounds for the base version. Ofcourse it remains to be seen how that performance turns out in real life. Phones tend to throttle back rather quick to prevent overheating. There's quite a difference in use case scenarios. Running an intensive game for hours at a time vs gracefully handling temporary spikes in GPU demand with overall much less demanding applications. Games for handhelds are optimized to use the available resources at maximum capacity, games for phones far from it.