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EricHiggin said:
SvennoJ said:

How does it lead to fairer wages?

For example, I live in Ontario. Every summer there are thousands of seasonal workers around here coming from Mexico and Jamaica to help with the harvest. This keeps Canadian farmed food affordable and competive in pricing, which provides more jobs for processing and distribution.

Now you could ban that practice, farmers still wouldn't be able to afford paying higher wages, farms close, more jobs lost than won.
You could raise the import tax on food to keep Ontario farms competitive. People spend more money on food, can't afford other essentials, starve during winter :)

The system is far from perfect, yet simply closing the borders will do more harm than good. 

But Trump has the solution, Hire American (pay more), Buy American (pay more), and somehow you'll be able to afford that... Sure, if everyone is willing to go back to a lower standard of living. They won't do it to save the planet, perhaps they'll do it to make America great again.

Anyway Trump closing the borders has benefits for Canada too
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/could-trump-trigger-a-silicon-valley-brain-drain
And we don't have to worry about this anymore
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/brain-drain-u-s-firms-should-pay-canada-for-top-talent-tech-ceo-says-1.3664956

Just watch the movie documentary "Inequality For All". It will explain why Trumps plan will work (for the most part). Back when equality (mostly financial but in other ways as well) was more balanced, America boomed. It was the lead up to the 1930's, and 2008 that inequality raised to an all time high and ironically led to the market/system crashes.

One of the best periods for farmers in North America were the 1960's to 1980's when equality across the board was very balanced. My grandparents had next to nothing back then and were able to build a thriving farm business. The people who worked on the farm were from here, not other countries. Ever since my parents took over the farm in the 1980's, things just kept getting worse and worse and continues to go downhill because of the way the system has changed. It doesn't matter how much more work we do, or how much more efficient we do things, they simply just pay the bills, never getting ahead. Farmers used to make all the money back then, but processing and distribution make all the money nowadays.

My mothers side of the family started with very little in a small city and they were eventually able to constatly buy newer homes and vehicles and have the newest toys. Grandpa worked in factories and grandma worked as a farm labourer. They were a middle class family back then like a lot of other growing middle class families. People I know who are middle class today who live in the cities, don't live anything like that. Only the wealthiest top percent do today. 

We really need to look to the past to figure out whats best for the future for everyone. This will most certainly mean the top percentage of wealthy people would have to learn to cope with a lower standard of living, but truthfully, they never should have been living as luxurious as they were in the first place. They never used to if you look at the numbers and charts, so what makes them so much more special today?

The reason "luxury" items are so expensive today, most of the time, is just because they can charge way more because there are super wealthy people who will pay for it. Why work harder and sell more of your product to many wealthy people, when you could work much less, and sell your product for WAY more, to a few wealthy people, easily getting ahead. Thats America today, and thats one of the many things that need to change.

The other big thing that needs to change are people's perceptions of value and worth. Anyone who thinks its ok to pay $600 for a touch screen phone or $2000+ for a laptop, yet isn't happy about having to pay $5 for a basket of tomatoes or peaches (when you really should be paying closer to $10), needs a serious life lesson in terms of what is actually important and what money is really worth. This type of thinking leads to robots doing most of the work, and more and more people fighting for the scraps.

I agree with most of what you say, yet I have no clue what Trump's plan is to reduce inequality. Scrapping trade agreements, stopping immigration, raising import duties, how does that connect to reducing inequality.

I'm not familiar with farming in the US in the 60's to 80's. I lived in Europe until 2002. There farming was heavily subsidized and excess products were exported to poor countries, resulting in making it hard for local farmers to compete with those cheap subsidized products. So yeah it was good to be a farmer, and after the subsidies ended it got a lot harder.

Nowadays big business like Monsanto has taken over farming. Yet I haven't heard Trump going to do anything about that. Quite the opposite http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/01/monsanto-bayer-trump-antitrust Actions speak louder than words. Trump is full on continuing/expanding the anti labor union agenda, while at the same time promising to give the power back to the people lol.



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"HEIL TRUMP, HEIL OUR PEOPLE, HEIL VICTORY!!!11! xddd"

What a shitshow this has been. But, this is just the beginning, four eight years of fun times ahead of us, my dudes.



Trump really does have small hands, lol

I can see why he's sensitive about it. 



Soundwave said:

Trump really does have small hands, lol

I can see why he's sensitive about it. 

Hilarious. This really does explain a lot.



Little Donald and his small hands.



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Radek said:
Are people seriously gonna laugh at someone's hands size?

What? its funny because his wife can probably palm a basketball while he struggles with a softball.



Haha, this must be the most appropriately named webm ever.



Radek said:
Are people seriously gonna laugh at someone's hands size?

It seems so.

I guess it's an expression of being openminded and tolerant.



Trump will definitely go down in the history books as a tyrant when he finishes his reign as US President. The good days of Obama are over and now Americans must endure President Trump.



SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

Just watch the movie documentary "Inequality For All". It will explain why Trumps plan will work (for the most part). Back when equality (mostly financial but in other ways as well) was more balanced, America boomed. It was the lead up to the 1930's, and 2008 that inequality raised to an all time high and ironically led to the market/system crashes.

One of the best periods for farmers in North America were the 1960's to 1980's when equality across the board was very balanced. My grandparents had next to nothing back then and were able to build a thriving farm business. The people who worked on the farm were from here, not other countries. Ever since my parents took over the farm in the 1980's, things just kept getting worse and worse and continues to go downhill because of the way the system has changed. It doesn't matter how much more work we do, or how much more efficient we do things, they simply just pay the bills, never getting ahead. Farmers used to make all the money back then, but processing and distribution make all the money nowadays.

My mothers side of the family started with very little in a small city and they were eventually able to constatly buy newer homes and vehicles and have the newest toys. Grandpa worked in factories and grandma worked as a farm labourer. They were a middle class family back then like a lot of other growing middle class families. People I know who are middle class today who live in the cities, don't live anything like that. Only the wealthiest top percent do today. 

We really need to look to the past to figure out whats best for the future for everyone. This will most certainly mean the top percentage of wealthy people would have to learn to cope with a lower standard of living, but truthfully, they never should have been living as luxurious as they were in the first place. They never used to if you look at the numbers and charts, so what makes them so much more special today?

The reason "luxury" items are so expensive today, most of the time, is just because they can charge way more because there are super wealthy people who will pay for it. Why work harder and sell more of your product to many wealthy people, when you could work much less, and sell your product for WAY more, to a few wealthy people, easily getting ahead. Thats America today, and thats one of the many things that need to change.

The other big thing that needs to change are people's perceptions of value and worth. Anyone who thinks its ok to pay $600 for a touch screen phone or $2000+ for a laptop, yet isn't happy about having to pay $5 for a basket of tomatoes or peaches (when you really should be paying closer to $10), needs a serious life lesson in terms of what is actually important and what money is really worth. This type of thinking leads to robots doing most of the work, and more and more people fighting for the scraps.

I agree with most of what you say, yet I have no clue what Trump's plan is to reduce inequality. Scrapping trade agreements, stopping immigration, raising import duties, how does that connect to reducing inequality.

I'm not familiar with farming in the US in the 60's to 80's. I lived in Europe until 2002. There farming was heavily subsidized and excess products were exported to poor countries, resulting in making it hard for local farmers to compete with those cheap subsidized products. So yeah it was good to be a farmer, and after the subsidies ended it got a lot harder.

Nowadays big business like Monsanto has taken over farming. Yet I haven't heard Trump going to do anything about that. Quite the opposite http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/01/monsanto-bayer-trump-antitrust Actions speak louder than words. Trump is full on continuing/expanding the anti labor union agenda, while at the same time promising to give the power back to the people lol.

I would like to point out that comparing today's market to that from decades ago just doesn't work.  Farms did well because there was more demand, both home and abroad.  Now, because of much more efficient techniques, better equipment, and agents like pesticides, we produce far more than we need.  Most countries have the same problem and it's driving down all the markets.  All the farmers I know are trying to find products with more favorable demand.

Some farmers got paid to not grow certain crops, though I don't know if they're still getting checks now.