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Soundwave said:

I'm sorry but posts like this just sound as whiny and entitled as the "SJWs" you "hyper sensitive to any criticism men" get.

1st off -- society changes ok. It's not 1970 or 1980 or 1880 anymore. The world you go to sleep to dies a little bit and evolves forward the next day. Change happens. Constant whining about change to me is part of the same coin.

Yes you can't say the same things without impunity today, when I was in high school I was a self admitted jock. I played sports and the banter was different then. "Stop playing like a fucking fag" for example was accepted talk. Today it's not with kids that age that I see, and you know what? I say good on them. It was stupid when it was done back then, but no guy really had the balls to step up and say it was wrong, we just all went along with it, and that isn't any better.

Also Ripley is a fictional movie character and the "kick ass" fetishization is primarily to appeal to (well) men ... lets get that clear. If you want to choose an apt example maybe try using a real person. Like Oprah Winfrey or someone. It's like saying Darth Vader is strong in the movies, so men have nothing to complain about.

"Also Ripley is a fictional movie character and the "kick ass" fetishization is primarily to appeal to (well) men"

 

how much money should i bet that you've said the same about the damsel in distress trope?

 

"Constant whining about change to me is part of the same coin."

 

he's not whining about change just for the sake of it, he's whining about glaring inconsistencies and contradictions in what is being said



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DonFerrari said:
And most people born as millenials sure wouldn't survive the past milenium with their weak backbones...

I've been bullied most of my school life, but that ended up making me insensitive for most jokes and not bothering with idiotic stuffs, that allows me to have a very compossed atitude at work

Absolutelly, as a kid I was bullied as well and what that happened  was not suicide or insanity, it was:

1 - Self-observation to understand if part of the criticism was deserved. Most of it really was.

2 - Effort to overcome part of the weakness.

3 - Accepting the weaknesses that were not fixable (like being a short guy).

4 - Realizing my place in the social arrangement and finding ways to get into the spots I wanted.

5 - Growth, understanindg the social fabric.]

Most of this was unconscious, cause it was simply the process of growing more mature and becoming a adult.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
DonFerrari said:
And most people born as millenials sure wouldn't survive the past milenium with their weak backbones...

I've been bullied most of my school life, but that ended up making me insensitive for most jokes and not bothering with idiotic stuffs, that allows me to have a very compossed atitude at work

Absolutelly, as a kid I was bullied as well and what that happened  was not suicide or insanity, it was:

1 - Self-observation to understand if part of the criticism was deserved. Most of it really was.

2 - Effort to overcome part of the weakness.

3 - Accepting the weaknesses that were not fixable (like being a short guy).

4 - Realizing my place in the social arrangement and finding ways to get into the spots I wanted.

5 - Growth, understanindg the social fabric.]

Most of this was unconscious, cause it was simply the process of growing more mature and becoming a adult.

So, basically you're saying that people that are getting bullied should just accept it and know their role? Also, you're talking about how suffering is so great for people, well I'm pretty sure the poor people in Africa that are starving to death and constantly having to live in fear of disease and war are really proud of their situation as it makes them so much stronger.



WagnerPaiva said:
DonFerrari said:
And most people born as millenials sure wouldn't survive the past milenium with their weak backbones...

I've been bullied most of my school life, but that ended up making me insensitive for most jokes and not bothering with idiotic stuffs, that allows me to have a very compossed atitude at work

Absolutelly, as a kid I was bullied as well and what that happened  was not suicide or insanity, it was:

1 - Self-observation to understand if part of the criticism was deserved. Most of it really was.

2 - Effort to overcome part of the weakness.

3 - Accepting the weaknesses that were not fixable (like being a short guy).

4 - Realizing my place in the social arrangement and finding ways to get into the spots I wanted.

5 - Growth, understanindg the social fabric.]

Most of this was unconscious, cause it was simply the process of growing more mature and becoming a adult.

Don't you think you could've done all that without being bullied?  Why don't we try and teach people to realize and overcome their weaknesses without being assholes?



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VGPolyglot said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Absolutelly, as a kid I was bullied as well and what that happened  was not suicide or insanity, it was:

1 - Self-observation to understand if part of the criticism was deserved. Most of it really was.

2 - Effort to overcome part of the weakness.

3 - Accepting the weaknesses that were not fixable (like being a short guy).

4 - Realizing my place in the social arrangement and finding ways to get into the spots I wanted.

5 - Growth, understanindg the social fabric.]

Most of this was unconscious, cause it was simply the process of growing more mature and becoming a adult.

So, basically you're saying that people that are getting bullied should just accept it and know their role? Also, you're talking about how suffering is so great for people, well I'm pretty sure the poor people in Africa that are starving to death and constantly having to live in fear of disease and war are really proud of their situation as it makes them so much stronger.

That is their choice, but I certainly did not do that. Not at all.

What I did was to see the spots that I was interested in and found ways to get there, in creative ways.

There is a way, there is always a way.

If you see things in a proactive, not reactive manner, you will find a way.

I will give you two examples:

1 - I was very poor. And had trouble finding jobs. So I worked hard into learning and going into paths where the money was avaliable, people were needed and positions were stable and rewarding. It took a lot of work, but nowdays I have much more money and material stuff than all the kids that bullied me in school. Althought, nowdays, as a christian, I do not care about material stuff.

2 - As a atheist, I only became born again at age of 31, all I wanted was girls. So I worked creative ways to overcome some of the stuff that were preventing me to be interesting to girls and tried to shine a different light in the stuff I could not really change.

It worked. For a long time girls were my entire life.

Nowdays I have my steady girlfriend and those days are behind me.

But the thing was: What I did was: I looked into the criticism and did my best to change what was changeable and did my best to shine a different light into the stuff impossible to change.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Torillian said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Absolutelly, as a kid I was bullied as well and what that happened  was not suicide or insanity, it was:

1 - Self-observation to understand if part of the criticism was deserved. Most of it really was.

2 - Effort to overcome part of the weakness.

3 - Accepting the weaknesses that were not fixable (like being a short guy).

4 - Realizing my place in the social arrangement and finding ways to get into the spots I wanted.

5 - Growth, understanindg the social fabric.]

Most of this was unconscious, cause it was simply the process of growing more mature and becoming a adult.

Don't you think you could've done all that without being bullied?  Why don't we try and teach people to realize and overcome their weaknesses without being assholes?

Yes, the middle of the road is always the best path in these scenarios. What I have seeying SJW doing is saying we should own all of our weaknesses, which I disagree with: if I smell, taking a shower is the way to go, not owning my smell. If I am fat, then change of eating habits and exercise, not only owning.

However, with the weaknesses that are not fixable, we have to see them as they really are, or else we become a easy target to bullies. 

For example: when people make fun of me for being kinda short, I just say "Indeed, tall guys look cooler, but nothing I can do about it". People usually realize that this is true and relax. I won many girls with that line in my atheist days.

If I start to scream and jump saying that is hateful, I will be ridiculous and people will rightfully laugh. 



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
FunFan said:
A powerful and capable gamer does not need a safe space.

I kinda do, when my health is low. I run to it and wait till it goes up again, then I try to go through a upper point of the map. We´re talking about HAWKEN, right?

Puss.



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"Did you guys expected some actual rational fact-based reasoning? ...you should already know I'm all about BS and fraudulence." - FunFan, VGchartz (2016)

pokoko said:

Yeah, the OP's justification of bullying as some kind of positive life experience is just bullshit.  Abusive behavior has always ruined lives no matter how far back you go.  Do some people get through it?  Sure, though some of them end up with serious issues.  

My father was bullied by his step-mother.  He ended up mean and tough.  Is that a success story?  I don't think so.  He wasn't very good at being a father and husband, he had trouble keeping friends, and his temper was absolutely frightening.  Fear of my father defined my childhood.  He was completely unable to apologize and complex emotions and responsibility made him go out to his shop and lose himself in work.  One of his brothers became an alcoholic and died from it.  One of his sisters became a hypochondriac with mental problems.  Another brother was a pathological liar who also had a scary temper and a history of violent behavior.

These are people who grew up in the 1950s and 60s.

No, bullying has never been a positive.

The sad reality is you never really get over it. It will always be with you. The husband of good friends of ours has started suffering from Alzheimer's and is now reliving all the bullying and abuse from his childhood on a daily basis, causing him to lash out violently. He has been admitted to a care facility for his own and his wife's safety.
Hopefully you can break the cycle. Luckily we don't live in a time anymore where the only advice was "Sticks and Stones" and recognize that physical abuse is only a part of a much larger problem.



WagnerPaiva said:
SvennoJ said:
It seems accusing safe places and snowflakes are just the new ways for bullies to seek attention and continue on pretending they're better than the weak minded they for some reason fear so much. You can improve your self image without having to kick other people down.

Why do you let SJW affect you so much in the first place?

Getting bullied doesn't build character, it breaks it down. Defending this behavior is the dumbest thing I've read in a while, quite an achievement with Trump around. Perhaps you're confusing bullying with locker room banter. I was bullied throughout school, sure I overcame it eventually, still wouldn't recommend anyone to walk around with suicidal thoughts for half a decade. A friend of mine was bullied in school too, and ended up in the ultimate safe space, a mental health care facility.

Did it make me stronger in the end? Perhaps, not in a good way though. I don't care about what other people say anymore and hardly interact with people. Can't be bothered to deal with people anymore.

I have being guilty of this social crime many times before SvenooJ, blaming my weakness in others and demanding a safe space where I did not need to grow.

The result was: I lost many oportunities of becoming thicker skin and more mature, it was my loss.

My beef with the SJW is that their utopia seems to me like a perpetual kindergarden. Sorrow was the main source of growth in my life, and in most lives.

I don´t know if you have time for this, but what happened at this event (link bellow) in UMASS is a frightening vision of what will happen in the SJW World Kindergarden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcp36n2cDg

In resume, they did not allowed the speakers to work, screammed like dying animals or something.

Even in a christian friendly university people like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins were allowed to speak, even heresies, against God and were met with nothing but respect. As it should be in the Academia

At the most, the people would not applaud particular points of the speech, but the person was applauded for showing up and talking.

But, to answer your question: I know there is no place for a person like me in the SJW Utopia, I am a candidate for the Christian Concentration Camps of the SJW Utopia, cause I am a toxic guy. If that happens someday, I will find peace in the fact that I was not completely silent.

This is why I am speaking while I still can.

I don't have the time to watch that now unfortunately. But condoning bullying goes too far. Booeing speakers is bad form too.
Bullying is not a form of sorrow. What kids should not be shielded off from is how the world really is. My parents always let me watch the news, although back then it was still objective news. Unfiltered issues from the world, and ofcourse growing up during the cold war and frequent hijakcings of planes and trains, IRA bombings, peopel starving in Ethiopia, war in Yugoslavia.
On the family scale problems weren't hidden either. Mental Illness, cancer, child abuse, war horror stories weren't hidden, plenty sorrow to build character. My mother work with refugees for years, they stayed over at our house a couple of times as well. We also housed WW2 veterans for liberation day celebrations. All that builds character. Not bullying, name calling etc.

Anyway I don't know what SJW utopia means. I don't see it on a local scale where I live. My oldest is only 7 though, and the current challenge is to teach the line between friendly banter and bullying and to stand up for yourself. It's true when they say it takes a village to raise a child. I'm so proud of him that he went to the bus driver himself to ask for a different seat when getting harassed on the bus. And now they've become good friends after all. Bullying can be easily corrected when you catch it early, ignore it and the consequences pile up. Most of it comes from asking for attention, yet not knowing how to, or passing abuse along without realizing it.



SvennoJ said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcp36n2cDg

In resume, they did not allowed the speakers to work, screammed like dying animals or something.

Even in a christian friendly university people like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins were allowed to speak, even heresies, against God and were met with nothing but respect. As it should be in the Academia

At the most, the people would not applaud particular points of the speech, but the person was applauded for showing up and talking.

But, to answer your question: I know there is no place for a person like me in the SJW Utopia, I am a candidate for the Christian Concentration Camps of the SJW Utopia, cause I am a toxic guy. If that happens someday, I will find peace in the fact that I was not completely silent.

This is why I am speaking while I still can.

I don't have the time to watch that now unfortunately. But condoning bullying goes too far. Booeing speakers is bad form too.
Bullying is not a form of sorrow. What kids should not be shielded off from is how the world really is. My parents always let me watch the news, although back then it was still objective news. Unfiltered issues from the world, and ofcourse growing up during the cold war and frequent hijakcings of planes and trains, IRA bombings, peopel starving in Ethiopia, war in Yugoslavia.
On the family scale problems weren't hidden either. Mental Illness, cancer, child abuse, war horror stories weren't hidden, plenty sorrow to build character. My mother work with refugees for years, they stayed over at our house a couple of times as well. We also housed WW2 veterans for liberation day celebrations. All that builds character. Not bullying, name calling etc.

Anyway I don't know what SJW utopia means. I don't see it on a local scale where I live. My oldest is only 7 though, and the current challenge is to teach the line between friendly banter and bullying and to stand up for yourself. It's true when they say it takes a village to raise a child. I'm so proud of him that he went to the bus driver himself to ask for a different seat when getting harassed on the bus. And now they've become good friends after all. Bullying can be easily corrected when you catch it early, ignore it and the consequences pile up. Most of it comes from asking for attention, yet not knowing how to, or passing abuse along without realizing it.

I know, it is a long event. About your 7 years old, I pray the Lord bless him and guard him, do not be offended by it, if God does not exist it only means I am wishing you good things.

If I had a kid I would consider putting him on karate or some other sport he enjoys. I think it builds character and gives discipline.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.