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kitler53 said:

Dixie Chicks pulled from air after bashing Bush

but then that's really the point,..  both extreems on both the left and right are intolarant.  both are stifling. both are dangerous. 

You could be called a racist for being ashamed of Obama. A lot of people have been called racist for not supporting him.

Its also worth noting the republicans and democrats changed a lot in the last 13 years. Republicans becoming a little more moderate while democrats leaning heavy into socialism and social justice.



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The extreme lefties pulled republicans to the center. In no way you can compare the current republicans to the old ones, they are basically the new dems lol



kitler53 said:

President-elect Donald Trump has not been shy about the “big problem in this country”: political correctness. Trump has blamed PC for the attack at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando (“They have put political correctness above common sense, above your safety and above all else,” he tweeted) and the rise of the militant group Islamic State. His voters agreed (indeed, it might even have been the reason for his victory).

It’s not just him. Political correctness has become a major bugaboo of the right in the past decade, a rallying cry against all that has gone wrong with liberalism and America. Conservative writers fill volumes complaining how political correctness stifles free expression and promotes bunk social theories about “power structures” based on patriarchy, race and mass victimhood. Forbes charged that it “stifles freedom of speech.” The Daily Caller has gone so far as to claim that political correctness “kills Americans.”

But conservatives have their own, nationalist version of PC, their own set of rules regulating speech, behavior and acceptable opinions. I call it “patriotic correctness.” It’s a full-throated, un-nuanced, uncompromising defense of American nationalism, history and cherry-picked ideals. Central to its thesis is the belief that nothing in America can’t be fixed by more patriotism enforced by public shaming, boycotts and policies to cut out foreign and non-American influences.

Insufficient displays of patriotism among the patriotically correct can result in exclusion from public life and ruined careers. It also restricts honest criticism of failed public policies, diverting blame for things like the war in Iraq to those Americans who didn’t support the war effort enough.

For example, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the run-up to the Iraq War, David Frum labeled dissenters as anti-American. Jonah Goldberg wrote that opponents of the war “can only get passionate about the perfidy of our own president.” Conservative gadfly Robert “Buzz” Patterson went further, calling much of the Democratic Party, Hollywood, big media, college campuses and many other organizations “traitors.” The French government’s opposition to the invasion of Iraq prompted Congress to rename French fries as “freedom fries” in congressional cafeterias, a 21st-century liberty cabbage. When the Dixie Chicks opposed the Iraq War, many stations pulled the group’s music from the air so as not to “trigger” listeners. Fans destroyed Dixie Chicks albums in grotesque public demonstrations. The radio became a safe space.

More recently, 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick sat and then knelt for the national anthem to protest police brutality. Tomi Lahren, host of “Final Thoughts,” gave an incoherent rant about soldiers dying for Kaepernick’s right to speak so, therefore, he should shut up and stand for the national anthem. Some fans even burned their Kaepernick jerseys in protest. Others said Kaepernick should “get the hell out” if he doesn’t love America. Myths of an NFL rule mandating standing for the anthem, even though no such rule actually exists, were spread to justify the outrage and point to a double standard of enforcement whereby the NFL condones protests against America but players get fined if they wear different-color shoelaces. In such a narrative, patriots are the victims of an elite liberal power structure.

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) tweeted that “Kaepernick should think about the service members risking their lives to protect his freedom to be both rich and unpatriotic.” Kaepernick’s microaggression even offended liberal Supreme Court Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who said the protest was “dumb and disrespectful,” words she later retracted.

Believing in American exceptionalism means that anything less than chest-thumping jingoism is capitulation. Unionized public employees who can’t be fired are bad at their jobs and are more interested in increasing their own power than fulfilling their public duties — except if they are police or Border Patrol officers, who are unselfishly devoted to their jobs. The crime rate is high and rising, so when facts show that criminality has declined substantially over the decades, the patriotically correct respond with appeals to the bubbled feelings of the common man.

One of the biggest critics of patriotic correctness is National Review writer Jim Geraghty. He responded to outrage over Jeb Bush and his wife, Columba, speaking Spanish at home by writing, “What business is it of yours?” and said there is “something bafflingly insecure about our culture if we genuinely feel threatened by foreign languages spoken in the private sphere of the family home.”

Complaining about political correctness is patriotically correct. The patriotically correct must use the non-word “illegals,” or “illegal immigrant” or “illegal alien” to describe foreigners who broke our immigration laws. Dissenters support “open borders” or “shamnesty” for 30 million illegal alien invaders. The punishment is deportation because “we’re a nation of laws” and they didn’t “get in line,” even though no such line actually exists. Just remember that they are never anti-immigration, only anti-illegal immigration, even when they want to cut legal immigration.

Black Lives Matter is racist because it implies that black lives are more important than other lives, but Blue Lives Matter doesn’t imply that cops’ lives are more important than the rest of ours. Banning Islam or Muslim immigration is a necessary security measure, but homosexuals should not be allowed to get married because it infringes on religious liberty. Transgender people could access women’s restrooms for perverted purposes, but Donald Trump walking in on nude underage girls in dressing rooms before a beauty pageant is just “media bias.”

Terrorism is an “existential threat,” even though the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is about 1 in 3.2 million a year. Saying the words “radical Islam” when describing terrorism is an important incantation necessary to defeat that threat. When Chobani yogurt founder Hamdi Ulukaya decides to employ refugees in his factories, it’s because of his ties to “globalist corporate figures.” Waving a Mexican flag on U.S. soil means you hate America, but waving a Confederate flag just means you’re proud of your heritage. The phrase “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas” needs a trigger warning.

Blaming the liberal or mainstream media and “media bias” is the patriotically correct version of blaming the corporations or capitalism. The patriotically correct notion that they “would rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2,000 people on the faculty of Harvard University” because the former have “common sense” and the “intellectual elites” don’t know anything, despite all the evidence to the contrary, can be sustained only in a total bubble. Poor white Americans are the victims of economic dislocation and globalization beyond their control, while poor blacks and Hispanics are poor because of their failed cultures. The patriotically correct are triggered when they hear strangers speaking in a language other than English. Does that remind you of the PC duty to publicly shame those who use unacceptable language to describe race, gender or whatever other identity is the victim du jour?

The patriotically correct rightly ridicule PC “safe spaces” but promptly retreat to Breitbart or talk radio, where they can have mutually reinforcing homogeneous temper tantrums while complaining about the lack of intellectual diversity on the left. There is no such thing as too much national security, but it’s liberals who want to coddle Americans with a “nanny state.” Those who disagree with the patriotically correct are animated by anti-Americanism, are post-American, or deserve any other of a long list of clunky and vague labels that signal virtue to other members of the patriotic in-group.

Every group has implicit rules against certain opinions, actions and language as well as enforcement mechanisms — and the patriotically correct are no exception. But they are different because they are near-uniformly unaware of how they are hewing to a code of speech and conduct similar to the PC lefties they claim to oppose. The modern form of political correctness on college campuses and the media is social tyranny with manners, while patriotic correctness is tyranny without the manners, and its adherents do not hesitate to use the law to advance their goals. If we have a term to describe this new phenomenon — I nominate patriotic correctness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/07/the-right-has-its-own-version-of-political-correctness-its-just-as-stifling/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7be57e6f7d34#comments

I'd call it American Fascism, since it's emphasis on patriotism is now at the point of being fanatical, and even insighting further hate crimes.

The worst part is that Trump's presidency is pretty much encouraging this, and it did even before he was elected.

Have you people forgotten Trump's treatment of a handicapped journalist? Or how he called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers? Not to mention his "locker room talk"?

America's no longer the land of the free. Well, it still is, but only if you're a white Christian republican.



sethnintendo said:
Obviously you guys forget the run up to the Iraq war. The media drum beated USA citizens to war and did little to no fact checking of bullshit claims and lies the Bush administration was putting forward to try and link Iraq to 9/11, "wmds" and support of terrorism. If you questioned or were against the war at start you were branded as a bad American or unAmerican. Cheney even tried to state that a vote for democrats in the 04 election was a vote for terrorist even though his decisions led to the destabilization of Iraq and increased number of terrorist. This right here is far more dangerous than any leftist PC bullshit.

I agree the war destabalized some already horrible areas in the middle east, but I'd argue terrorist groups really grew under Obama's watch and even inspired people in the west.

It feels like people in the west fear the lefts is destabalizing our countries and voting is reflecting that in the US and Europe.



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If the rights 'PC' is just extreme patriotism, I fail to see how this is exceptional to them or just as bad.



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Arminillo said:
If the rights 'PC' is just extreme patriotism, I fail to see how this is exceptional to them or just as bad.

Because they're on their god damn high horse. People like them are why Western civilization is getting worse and worse every day.

Never before have I been able to sincerely say that I hate America. -_-



CaptainExplosion2 said:

I'd call it American Fascism, since it's emphasis on patriotism is now at the point of being fanatical, and even insighting further hate crimes.

The worst part is that Trump's presidency is pretty much encouraging this, and it did even before he was elected.

Have you people forgotten Trump's treatment of a handicapped journalist? Or how he called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers? Not to mention his "locker room talk"?

America's no longer the land of the free. Well, it still is, but only if you're a white Christian republican.

I feel like these are the kind of arguments why the left lost this election in a big way.

Some of that grafiti BS could be from left wingers trying to create a narrative. https://www.bing.com/search?q=arrested+for+hoax+grafitti&pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR

Trump claimed he didn't know the man was handicapped, Trump got a lot of latin votes (including my support) because they knew he was referring to Mexican criminals, and the locker room talk is more proof of how sensitive the left is.

America is an incredibly diverse country where people of all ethnicities, religions, gender can succeed and have more freedoms than pretty much anywhere else in the world. That's just reality and why people from all over the world come here.



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Mr Puggsly said:
CaptainExplosion2 said:

I'd call it American Fascism, since it's emphasis on patriotism is now at the point of being fanatical, and even insighting further hate crimes.

The worst part is that Trump's presidency is pretty much encouraging this, and it did even before he was elected.

Have you people forgotten Trump's treatment of a handicapped journalist? Or how he called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers? Not to mention his "locker room talk"?

America's no longer the land of the free. Well, it still is, but only if you're a white Christian republican.

I feel like these are the kind of arguments why the left lost this election in a big way.

Some of that grafiti BS could be from left wingers trying to create a narrative. https://www.bing.com/search?q=arrested+for+hoax+grafitti&pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR

Trump claimed he didn't know the man was handicapped, Trump got a lot of latin votes (including my support) because they knew he was referring to Mexican criminals, and the locker room talk is more proof of how sensitive the left is.

America is an incredibly diverse country where people of all ethnicities, religions, gender can succeed and have more freedoms than pretty much anywhere else in the world. That's just reality and why people from all over the world come here.

Yeah, sure, we're OVERLY SENSITIVE because a loudmouthed orange numbskull said "You can grab her by the pussy and get away with it because you're famous.", and SURE he didn't know the guy was handicapped, and SURE he was only talking about Mexican CRIMINALS.

Yes people from all over the world have gone to America, but thanks to Trump's sociopathic xenophobia, they won't be able to get in. Even without him wasting billions of dollars on a fucking wall, which wouldn't work because he forgot about planes.

And as I said the former, now he's planning to equip the wall with anti-aircraft turrets.

With a president like him America doesn't need enemies, because now they have themselves.



Mr Puggsly said:
kitler53 said:

Dixie Chicks pulled from air after bashing Bush

but then that's really the point,..  both extreems on both the left and right are intolarant.  both are stifling. both are dangerous. 

You could be called a racist for being ashamed of Obama. A lot of people have been called racist for not supporting him.

Its also worth noting the republicans and democrats changed a lot in the last 13 years. Republicans becoming a little more moderate while democrats leaning heavy into socialism and social justice.

Hillary Clinton was not leaning towards socialism in the slightest. You seem to think that there are more differences between Democrats and Republicans than there really are. They are just two sides of a coin.



VGPolyglot said:
Mr Puggsly said:

That's the thing about left wingers like yourself, you focus on situations where people may have lost their job, maybe health issues, and they could no longer support a family.

What I'm telling you is a lot of women start a family with a useless man and no job skills and that's a significant cause of poverty. Statistically many single mother don't even have a high school diploma.

Wealth redistribution doesn't solve poor life decisions, it enables that behavior and eventually you have a country going broke. I mean poverty could go down drastically if people just made better life decisions. But hey, that's just my right wing logic.

I don't support wealth redistribution. I support a system where wealth doesn't need to be redistributed in the first place. I also don't support the existence of states or even money. Instead, I support a system where people work according to their ability and get according to their needs.

So basically you support communism in which you have a little more choice what you are going to be. Not a very favourable opinion in the US probably, since its the capitalistic centre of the world. I like technology and concurrency in a free market so I strongly oppose to a communist system. The Soviet Union and eastern Germany have shown it doesn't work and deprived companies of innovation. If the wealth over the world or even the United States is equally spreaded quite a lot of people will become much poorer.



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