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bdbdbd said:
JRPGfan said:

Wait what...... you didnt like the PS2? that gen was kinda epic.

 

Sales wont be "heavily" down from last generation.

I consider the Switch, the same gen as the PS4 & XB1. Since its gonna spend the next 3 years competing against them.

Its too early to tell, maybe the switch is another Wii in terms of sales?

Not only the sales will be heavily down at the end of the gen, they also are at the moment. The seventh gen was roughly 500M units on hardware sales, while home consoles alone accounted for something between 250 and 300M. Of course, the software sales were especially high because of this (actually, it's the other way around).

Why do you consider Switch the same gen with PS4 and XB1 and not PS4P and XB1S as the same gen as Switch? I mean it's clearly a generational change with everyone releasing new hardware. Even if so, if Switch starts flying off of the shelves, we're going to see PS5 and XB2 in 2018 anyway.

The sixth gen was so epic that I decided to quit gaming halfway though the gen, but then came the seventh that changed my mind (now the gen8 was a similar disaster with six, and I'm cautiously waiting for the ninth if it would follow the seventh).

break down that 500 mill for me.



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CGI-Quality said:
pray4mojo said:

Open minded to what exactly? We're talking about how many pieces of plastic will sell in a given timeframe. It's not philosphy. I'm not invested in the outcome.

Actually, this is quite philosophical, but that's besides the point. ;P

While you don't have to be invested in this to keep an open mind, the fact that you continue to respond tells me that you're obviously invested in it somewhere. :p

No, I was in debate clubs. It's a hobby lol.



the-pi-guy said:
Kerotan said:

Well software sales on dedicated hanhelds has been going down a lot. 

3DS is a lot lower than the DS. And you'd expect Switch to continue the pattern.

Nintendo calls it a home gaming system.  

Well in that case dedicated handhelds have gone extinct. 



the-pi-guy said:
Kerotan said:

Well in that case dedicated handhelds have gone extinct. 

Nintendo said they are keeping the 3DS.  

https://www.vg247.com/2016/10/20/nintendo-says-switch-is-a-home-system-first-which-means-3ds-is-safe-for-now/

"Speaking with Polygon, a Nintendo representative told the site Switch was “a home gaming system first and foremost,” when asked if the portable system would hurt sales of the 3DS family."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-29-nintendo-isnt-replacing-3ds-with-switch

 

 

Funny how in Japan they called switch a mobile device.  Looks like they're not confident in launching a dedicated handheld.  With the way the market has gone I'm not surprised.  



pray4mojo said:

Nothing suggests that sort of decline... apart from every major home console ever released. Unless PS4 manages to be the first console in history to keep it's first three year pace for almost 6 straight years, it's not going to happen. 

In the first three years after the PS3 launched, the PS2 sold roughly 35 million units. The PS3 has managed to sell 13 in comparison. The PS4 is going to have to either be the first console in history to keep it's first three year sales level for 5-6 years, or it's going to have to sell at PS2 levels post PS5. Either way, that's asking alot. 

I don't know where you are getting your data. Or how you sre reading your data. 

Here is the cummulative shipment data for the PS2 for its first 6 yesrs on the market. Note. CUMMULATIVE SHIPMENT, not sold through to consumers. 

 

DateAsia
(including Japan)
North AmericaPAL regionsWorldwide
March 31, 2000[2] 1.41     1.41
June 30, 2000[2] 2.54     2.54
September 30, 2000[2] 3.52     3.52
December 31, 2000[2] 3.94 1.46 1 6.4
March 31, 2001[2] 4.75 3.01 2.85 10.61
June 30, 2001[2] 5.94 5.15 3.86 14.95
September 30, 2001[2] 6.85 8.24 4.48 19.57
December 31, 2001[2] 8.3 9.87 6.82 24.99
March 31, 2002[2] 9.65 10.59 8.44 28.68
May 5, 2002[2] 9.99 11.25 8.78 30.02
December 31, 2002[2] 12.47 21.2 15.92 49.59
March 31, 2003[2] 12.7 22.21 16.29 51.20
September 6, 2003[2] 14.17 26.42 19.44 60.03
December 31, 2003[2] 15.9 29.09 24.47 69.46
January 13, 2004[2] 16.18 29.26 24.56 70
March 31, 2004[2] 16.98 29.53 24.79 71.3
December 31, 2004[2] 19.47 32.86 29.06 81.39
March 31, 2005[2] 20.71 35.35 31.41 87.47
November 29, 2005[2] 22.22 40.65 37.14 100.01
December 31, 2005[2] 22.83 40.99 37.55 101.37
March 31, 2006[2] 23.27 41.82 38.6 103.69

From March 31st 2000, to march 31st 2003 Sony shipped 51.2M PS2s globally. in 36 months.

In around 36-37 months Sony has Sold through to consumers 50M+ PS4s meaning their shipments are even higher. 

In the PS2s third and fourth year it shipped over 20M consoles. 22M in third 21M in 4th.

The PS4 is still selling at a significantly higher price than what the PS2 was selling for at this time in its life. So basically we are still yet to see a sub $200 PS4 and some of the biggest games of this generation that will be on  the PS4 are still yet to be released.

Quite honestly, there is absolutely nothing, or no kinda data whatsoever that will suggest that the PS4 will not be able to hit 100M before the PS5 is launched. Especially if we are considering that comes out in 2019. 

By the end of this year the PS4 will most likely be at 54/55M. All it need to do is sell 45/46M consoles in the next three years. That's an average of 15M per year. And it's still got at least one 18-20M selling year left in it. Meaning that for two of those three years all it has to do is hit a 12-13M average. And you don't see that happenning? There will be a decline, its got one more good year in it. Same as with the PS2 in its 4th year. And this is all going to be due to aggressive pricing. By this time next year we will have deals with PS4s as low as $170 for crying out loud. In its 5th and 6th years Sony won't be able to keep dropping the price, and thats when the decline sets in. But it's not gonna jist drop from a 18M selling year to a 5M year. It will be more like 18M> 15M> 10-12M. 

What's funny is, all the data, trends and evidence suggests that it's going to happen. What are you basing it not happenning on?

Notice that with thre PS2 the decline started from the 5th and 6th year? 



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So Nintendo releases the New 3Ds, PlayStation releases the Pro and Microsoft "extending" the generation by releasing the Scorpio.

Is it fair to count all the sales for different models into the same basket?

I don't know what to say honestly, the PS2 did it without the need to do middle gen hardware upgrades as far as I know.



The_BlackHeart__ said:
So Nintendo releases the New 3Ds, PlayStation releases the Pro and Microsoft "extending" the generation by releasing the Scorpio.

Is it fair to count all the sales for different models into the same basket?

I don't know what to say honestly, the PS2 did it without the need to do middle gen hardware upgrades as far as I know.

They all play the same games right? At lesst for Playstation and XB1.

As long as they play the exact same games, whatever kinda revision is done doesn't matter. If the gens still last for 6-7yrs then it doesn't matter either. It's not like they are extending the gens by releasing upgraded hardware that have their own exclusive games. 

And you know the PS2 had something called the PSX which was a more capable and powerful sku, though it was only released in Japan. PS1 had the Net yaroze that was also a more expensive PS1 and that allowed users be able to build their own games on it. But again it's release was limited. 



Hiku said:
CaptainExplosion2 said:
So what? The original PlayStation did it first. With how big the industry is now it's not that hard to pass 49 million units.

But yes, congrats PS4.

Well WiiU didn't even come close, and Xbox One has a long way to go.
In fact, only two non-Sony consoles have managed that since the SNES did it

Wii, DS and GBA? That's three that I know of.

Intrinsic said:
The_BlackHeart__ said:
So Nintendo releases the New 3Ds, PlayStation releases the Pro and Microsoft "extending" the generation by releasing the Scorpio.

Is it fair to count all the sales for different models into the same basket?

I don't know what to say honestly, the PS2 did it without the need to do middle gen hardware upgrades as far as I know.

They all play the same games right? At lesst for Playstation and XB1.

As long as they play the exact same games, whatever kinda revision is done doesn't matter. If the gens still last for 6-7yrs then it doesn't matter either. It's not like they are extending the gens by releasing upgraded hardware that have their own exclusive games. 

And you know the PS2 had something called the PSX which was a more capable and powerful sku, though it was only released in Japan. PS1 had the Net yaroze that was also a more expensive PS1 and that allowed users be able to build their own games on it. But again it's release was limited. 

Who says they (will) play the same games? You have them doing that now, but it's more likely the devs are going to take advantage of the increased power - as the games are low-end PC games anyway.



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bdbdbd said:

Who says they (will) play the same games? You have them doing that now, but it's more likely the devs are going to take advantage of the increased power - as the games are low-end PC games anyway.

And this is exactky how misinformation spreads. 

Q: Will PS4 Pro have separate or exclusive games?
There will not be any PS4 Pro-exclusive games. Because PS4 Pro and the standard PS4 are members of the same family, both systems will be fully compatible with all past, present, and future PS4 titles, including PlayStation VR. All PS4 games are PS4 Pro games, and vice-versa.

Official Playstation Blog

We said we're not going to have console-exclusive games for Project Scorpio. It's one ecosystem--whether you have an Xbox One S or Project Scorpio, we don't want anyone to be left behind,

Interview of Aaron Greenberg/Gamespot

so the platform holders have said there wont be exclusive games for the revised consoles. And that they will all be in rhe same ecosystem. Good enough for you?



How about the SEGA Genesis?



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