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Neodegenerate said:
DonFerrari said:

Why not man? Those are all reasonable claims brought on VGC everyday.

No butthurtness as mine ass is quite big. Just wanted to verify if there were a consensus.

Claims being made don't make them reasonable.  If you honestly believe the game has sold over 18 million copies in 2 days because digital sales are over 80% of the attach, then there is no reason to converse with you about sales because you clearly have no sense of reality.

Nope, I know the claim of 80% isn't reasonable, but the purpose is to see what is the consensus of digital.

I agree they hover around 20-30%, but there are campus claimining 50-80% is the real.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Neodegenerate said:

Claims being made don't make them reasonable.  If you honestly believe the game has sold over 18 million copies in 2 days because digital sales are over 80% of the attach, then there is no reason to converse with you about sales because you clearly have no sense of reality.

Nope, I know the claim of 80% isn't reasonable, but the purpose is to see what is the consensus of digital.

I agree they hover around 20-30%, but there are campus claimining 50-80% is the real.

Oh thank god there is some sense you!

I would even go so far as to agree that games like CoD might lead the pack in digital attach rate and be 5% or so higher than the average.  Your 80% claim, and even sticking to it for a few posts, was a bit baffling for me though.



ArchangelMadzz said:
Cod has declined and digital sales go up every year.

This. Apply to everything else for future responses and threads... 



DonFerrari said:
fleischr said:

What evidence do you have that 80% of IW sales are digital?

80% digital attach rate for major retail AAA game would be unprecedented... That would be something I think Sony or Activision would say something about if true.

Look at Gears of War...

Gears 2 FW was 1.8M

Gears 3 FW was 3M

Gears 4 FW is 600k

The only visible explanation since Gears 4 is a lot better than Gears 2 and 3 is that the game have 80% digital attach ratio. Similar for Halo, that and my friends buying digital is all the evidence I need.

Not at all, a clearly visible explanation is A) install base and B) A chunk of GoW fans migrated to PlayStation which Sony themselves referenced when they said something like 50% of the PlayStation sales came from people who weren't invested in the brand prior (aka completely new customers that came from the competition, among other factors).

 

We also have an extremely over saturated shooter market. In any case, there's a lot of reasons that sales could have taken a nosedive but I don't believe for a moment that gears 4 has > even 50% digital attach rate unless you count the free Windows copy sold with the physical game for the play anywhere initiative. But, then, we'd be counting two sales for every purchase and then things start to get murky. (It would also skew the attach ratio to >50% as each digital copy doesn't include a physical copy, but each physical copy includes a digital copy.



Neodegenerate said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, I know the claim of 80% isn't reasonable, but the purpose is to see what is the consensus of digital.

I agree they hover around 20-30%, but there are campus claimining 50-80% is the real.

Oh thank god there is some sense you!

I would even go so far as to agree that games like CoD might lead the pack in digital attach rate and be 5% or so higher than the average.  Your 80% claim, and even sticking to it for a few posts, was a bit baffling for me though.

Yep, games that people play all the time and want to start on the first second may be the highest digital attaches, but sure perhaps even they sit at 35%. Just wanted to try going bullheaded on that point to see if the counter arguments would be the same I used and that I was making sense.

aLkaLiNE said:
DonFerrari said:

Look at Gears of War...

Gears 2 FW was 1.8M

Gears 3 FW was 3M

Gears 4 FW is 600k

The only visible explanation since Gears 4 is a lot better than Gears 2 and 3 is that the game have 80% digital attach ratio. Similar for Halo, that and my friends buying digital is all the evidence I need.

Not at all, a clearly visible explanation is A) install base and B) A chunk of GoW fans migrated to PlayStation which Sony themselves referenced when they said something like 50% of the PlayStation sales came from people who weren't invested in the brand prior (aka completely new customers that came from the competition, among other factors).

 

We also have an extremely over saturated shooter market. In any case, there's a lot of reasons that sales could have taken a nosedive but I don't believe for a moment that gears 4 has > even 50% digital attach rate unless you count the free Windows copy sold with the physical game for the play anywhere initiative. But, then, we'd be counting two sales for every purchase and then things start to get murky. (It would also skew the attach ratio to >50% as each digital copy doesn't include a physical copy, but each physical copy includes a digital copy.

There are people that even use the digital code on bundles (which are already counted on VGC) to increase the final numbers and say the digital sales represent more.

Man I totally agree with you, but the thread was a test to see if only I was going crazy not seeing the reasoning for over 30% digital (in som cases people gone over 50, 60 and even 80% attach ratio)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."