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Arkaign said:
bunchanumbers said:
Nintendo is pulling a bait and switch on a massive level. It is a 720p tablet. Nothing more. A Nintendo branded tablet. What a gimmick.

Agreed. This is terrible. I think it will be the end of Nintendo hardware, and deeply harmful to the company, provided it goes for the expected price of $299 or higher.

What they should have done IMHO :

Have a unified platform (scalable games so that they could play on both a handheld and home console model of the new hardware releases that I describe below)

Tablet model with weaker AMD APU (~50% GPU power of Xbox One, at 1.75Ghz clock on 14 or 16nm), 8GB of shared memory, 128GB storage for digital games, cart slot, 6" 720P screen, $199 with game.

Home model with same series of APU but with GPU portion ~100% of X1 power or within 10% + or -, same clock speed and memory so that games would only need to scale resolution or AA/AF and other easy to optimize settings to hit identical FPS and not have to code two versions of any games. Also $199 with game. 1TB HDD in this one for digital games, but use same cart slot and have the EXACT same retail games work on both, and digital purchases automatic cross-buy for your user account on both home and mobile systems if you own both.

Why do I say this? Because credible reports have the NS at 1/3rd the performance of the Xbox One, with half the memory, small storage capacity, and low resolution display. This is a deadly combo, because it basically eliminates Nintendo YET AGAIN from AAA multiplat support. The multiplats which do come will look awful compared to PS/XB, and more likely we'll see few if any meaningful ones even released. This will be WiiU part two : great for Nintendo's own IPs and a handful of other JP games that sell pretty badly in the US. Mainline Mario/Zelda/Kart/Pokemon will sell fine to great, most other stuff will sell .. poorly. 

Beyond frustrating :(

this would be just perfect, but it's Nintendo :/

thinking positively, we got a powerful handheld and the choice to play it on the big screen when playing at home, apart from that, all 1st party efforts go into one console so the chances of selling lots and getting some support because of that are much higher

there is still a chance the dock unlocks something performance wise, and there is still that 'supllemental computing device' patent, so either of these could do for a possible home console - it's funny how we are still left guessing whatsoever



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Now I'm expecting a "Dickgirls are just women" thread by Turkish.



Boberkun said:
Volterra_90 said:
If there's a graphical improvement when you plug the device on the TV, I wouldn't call it a handheld system. Maybe the dock provides the extra power to run the device fully clocked. So that would be actually a home console with a portable mode.

Nintendo confirmed it's not.

As far as I know the dock provides extra power, which could make the difference between running with the GPU fully clocked, and running with a GPU partially clocked. Maybe they're doing this to improve battery life in portable mode. But I don't really know, just an hypothesis.



Handhelds are consoles too though



ktay95 said:
Handhelds are consoles too though

The funny thing about that is that MANY of the early consoles in the 70s used D batteries. Or you could buy an AC adapter, lol.



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It's both dude



My Tablet can connect to my TV via HDMI, has physical controls on the side. - I still consider it a tablet.

My Phone can connect to my TV/Monitor via a dock. - I still consider that a phone.

The nVidia Shield has a Dock to connect to a TV/Monitor. - It's still a tablet.

To me the Switch is a Tablet first, console second.
But it could also be one of the best Tablets for gamers on the market. (Still not buying it though.)

Volterra_90 said:
Boberkun said:

Nintendo confirmed it's not.

As far as I know the dock provides extra power, which could make the difference between running with the GPU fully clocked, and running with a GPU partially clocked. Maybe they're doing this to improve battery life in portable mode. But I don't really know, just an hypothesis.

It's main use should be to recharge the device and transmit the display to the TV.

It does open the possibility of external storage being supported and other components integrated at a later line. (I.E. Like an Optical Disc built into a future Dock version.)

One thing I don't like about the dock is that you are sliding the Tablet between two wedges, if there is grit on the inside of the dock, you could scratch up the screen.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

It's what Vita always should have been. Outstanding first party support, 4 shoulder buttons, more power, bigger screen and hopefully no ridiculous memory cards. Please Nintendo, don't forget about clickable analogs!



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

I am not concerned. A traditional Nintendo console would've failed no matter how strong or weak it is. The competition is just way ahead at this point.

Don't get me wrong, the NS is a traditional console, the neat twists it offers are great, but the main attraction is streamlining Nintendo's first party studios efforts; "Listen up everyone, make the best games possible for this one device period". No more droughts. The need to get third parties on board is diminished to an acceptable degree.

The 2nd unspoken main attraction is how easy it is gonna be for developers to port their iOS/Android games to the NS, from someone who kept an open-mind when it comes to smartphone gaming, I can tell there are a lot of quality titles to be played, and they'll keep on coming. You don't like the lack of buttons? Enters the NS. Maybe this is me wishfully thinking, but I think it would be smart for Nintendo to attract iOS developers as an alternative to AAA third party publishers who will not be interested in spending even more money port/down-scaling their games to ARM-based console. NS supports UE4 & Unity? So do most smartphones.

I think one of NS's concerns is the 3DS. It's pulling solid numbers still and pumping out great games, and it will probably always be cheaper.



Is that confirmed? If it's what a let down



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