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Mr Puggsly on 19 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation. However, its fair to say FFXV will determine future support.

Also, I imagine MS wants the FF7R on their platform.

Not in quantity, but in %. Final Fantasy Type0 was ,in the reallity, just a bonus for the ones who purchased the Demo of FFXV, not the other thing around.

 In the Uk's weakest month for Software they sold 790 thousands of software between all consoles, 21 millions of Euros in revenue. That is pretty low and is less than 200 thousands of software per week. I don't think that Japan ever had such a poor month.

I think that Japan's weakest week in the last 10-15 years was +- 230 thousands.

Youre trying to spin the numbers, thats very cute.

When you say all console does that include portable. Japan is very strong in portable console sales. But thats not something MS is apart of. While Sony is exiting that.



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Swordmasterman on 19 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

In the UK, Fifa is very popular because they like football. And why  is a market that sells millions of units of software per year  a bad thing or niche for Microsoft and Sony ?

The gap between the Xbox One and PS4 in Japan is bigger than the gap between the UK and USA combined.  Do Microsoft don't want those sales ?

Microsoft spent 80+ millions on Fable to  shut it down. They spent probably the same on Quantum Break, but it did terrible worldwide. If they were more popular in other countries, they would be able to make games of more genres and become even more popular.

Fifa is very successful in UK and Europe in general. But UK is interested in lots popular western titles, unlike Japan.

There is nothing MS can do to get an edge in Japan while Nintendo and Sony have all the 3rd party support. Atleast nothing financially worthwhile. Investing in Japan would be a complete waste for MS when they could instead spend more in the larger western market.

Oh, I think youre speculating on game budgets with no facts. I've played both games, they dont look or feel like 80 million dollar games.

How did you played Fable if Microsoft cancelled it ?  The 80+ millions for Fable is from a article on the Internet.

Quantum Break's budget might be over80 Millions. They had 3 + years of development and it was marketed as Microsoft's biggest new IP this generation.



Mr Puggsly on 19 October 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Fifa is very successful in UK and Europe in general. But UK is interested in lots popular western titles, unlike Japan.

There is nothing MS can do to get an edge in Japan while Nintendo and Sony have all the 3rd party support. Atleast nothing financially worthwhile. Investing in Japan would be a complete waste for MS when they could instead spend more in the larger western market.

Oh, I think youre speculating on game budgets with no facts. I've played both games, they dont look or feel like 80 million dollar games.

How did you played Fable if Microsoft cancelled it ?  The 80+ millions for Fable is from a article on the Internet.

Quantum Break's budget might be over80 Millions. They had 3 + years of development and it was marketed as Microsoft's biggest new IP this generation.

I had access to the beta of Fable Legends around the time it shut down. The sources are rumors, nothing confirmed. I can confirm it was underwhelming.

Again, youre speculating on QB's budget. Is 3 years of development that bad? Its actually good for Remedy. Also, based on the sales of Alan Wake why would MS give them 80 million?

Is your best argument for MS supporting Japan failed western games? Cherry picking failures isnt a good reason for MS to invest in JRPGs. Japan is moving away from home consoles anyway. Thats an huge reason for MS to ignore Japan.

If anything, MS should encourage more ports of Japanese titles on their platform for western Xbox users that want those games. But trying to gain ground in Japan is a boondoggle. Sony and Nintendo own console gaming in Japan.



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KazumaKiryu on 24 October 2016
deskpro2k3 said:

Japanese games will not sell on xbox even if MS get games like persona. The fanbase for those games is just not on the MS console, so devs won't waste their time on it. They won't see profit if they do it.

i think so too. and big and good jrpgs are important - for japan and west-gamer.

JRPGfan said:
This isnt just about the japanese market though.
There are people across the world that enjoy japanese styled games.

When you give up japan, and trying to make those types of games, your also giveing up on those types.

Persona 5, World of Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 7R, Ni No Kuni 2, Dragon Quest 11....

i see the january-february release in japan. kingdom hearts 2.5. , ni-oh, nier automata, valkyria chonicles azure revolution... all 4 coming for PS4 and Zero for xbox. so, the thing is clear..

Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

We don't know if FF7 will launch for the Xbox One, but if Square Enix is waiting to see how well FFXV will sell on the PC, if the sales of Type-0 are any trend, it won't sell on the Xbox One.

By the numbers, atleast 1 million on Japan alone, and a lot worldwide. It only did under/over 3 millions on the UK. The gap in the USA is of 1.5 millions.

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation.

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?



Faelco on 24 October 2016
KazumaKiryu said:

Mr Puggsly said:

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation.

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?

Final Fantasy 12 HD, World of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Dragon Quest 11... Not one game announced after the failed Xbox One launch and the FF Type 0 fiasco has been announced on Xbox. They only launched the development of Japanese games on the One when everyone was still thinking that the One would win the generation easily. With how that turned out, now everything is PS4 with a "maybe NX", the Xbox is just not worth it. MS will need to spend some cash if they want FF7R, and even then, it still won't be worth it for SE so I'm not sure it will ever happen.



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Mr Puggsly on 24 October 2016

Mr Puggsly said:

FF Type 0 is not the barometer of how well a FF game can do on Xbox or Playstation.

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?

I feel like Type 0 came to X1 to give some hype to FF XV.

When Xbox only gets some support in the series, its not gonna build much of fanbase on that platform.



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Mr Puggsly on 24 October 2016
Faelco said:
KazumaKiryu said:

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?

Final Fantasy 12 HD, World of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Dragon Quest 11... Not one game announced after the failed Xbox One launch and the FF Type 0 fiasco has been announced on Xbox. They only launched the development of Japanese games on the One when everyone was still thinking that the One would win the generation easily. With how that turned out, now everything is PS4 with a "maybe NX", the Xbox is just not worth it. MS will need to spend some cash if they want FF7R, and even then, it still won't be worth it for SE so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

Not bringing Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 to Xbox One is odd with 3 eventually coming. Especially given it has Disney characters which are relevant in the west. Not even PC ports are happening.

FF7 was the most popular game in the series in the west, so that's why it may come to Xbox.



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KazumaKiryu on 24 October 2016
Faelco said:
KazumaKiryu said:

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?

Final Fantasy 12 HD, World of Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Dragon Quest 11... Not one game announced after the failed Xbox One launch and the FF Type 0 fiasco has been announced on Xbox. They only launched the development of Japanese games on the One when everyone was still thinking that the One would win the generation easily. With how that turned out, now everything is PS4 with a "maybe NX", the Xbox is just not worth it. MS will need to spend some cash if they want FF7R, and even then, it still won't be worth it for SE so I'm not sure it will ever happen.

yeah.. In my opinion, Persona 5, Dragon Quest 11 and Ni No Kuni 2 are very important for the future. FF is a other thing, but the ps4 has more ff-games. your avatar is nice :)

Mr Puggsly said:

in 3 days coming world of final fantasy, but only for ps4(psvita). maybe, because the (bad) sales figures of ff type 0 on xbox ?! ps. what is with the new final fantasy 12 remaster next year?

I feel like Type 0 came to X1 to give some hype to FF XV.

When Xbox only gets some support in the series, its not gonna build much of fanbase on that platform.

the final fantasy 15 sales figures are interesting. i hope the best for the game :)