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Forums - Sony Discussion - PS4 Pro’s inability to play 4K UHD discs is, no doubt, short-lived

Before you dismiss the PS4 Pro out of hand, let me fill you in on a few things that you may not be aware of, because they have been hardly discussed in public so far.

The 4K UHD disc format is actually a standard Blu-Ray format. When the Blu-Ray specs were devised, it allowed for a large number of layers on a disc to accommodate the voracious, ever-growing storage needs of digital media. The format was designed with the future in mind. While, in practice, so far no real application has been out there, to the best of my knowledge, that used more than two or three layers, there are plenty of provisions in place to create discs with four, five, six or even more layers on a single disc. And it is this feature that is being used on 4K UHD discs. At heart, they are still only Blu-Ray discs, just with more storage, differently encoded video files on them and a slightly different menuing system that accommodates new features.

As a result, any Blu-Ray drive that properly follows the Blu-Ray specifications should theoretically be able to read these discs. (Note  read, not play.) Now, in the real world, because these additional layers have not been used before, there are, of course, low-cost drives out in the market that do not support the feature—a result of cost cutting measures. However, every modern Blu-Ray drive does well to integrate the capability to read additional layers. I am sure, most manufacturers have complied with those specs for some time now and I have absolutely no doubt that the drives found in the upcoming PS4 Pro will be able to read these high density Blu-Ray discs with absolutely no problem.

So, to be clear, from a technical standpoint, there is no difference between a regular Blu-Ray disc and a 4K UHD disc. In fact, they are authored the same way and they are replicated the same way. In fact, they are replicated on the exact same machines. It was one of the appeals that the 4K UHD format had for studios that existing production lines could be used to manufacture and replicate these next generation discs, making them very cheap to produce right out of the gates.

So, why doesn’t the PS4 Pro support 4K UHD discs? The answer to that may lie in Sony’s Consumer Electronics division. At this time, Sony is preparing the launch of a series of settop 4K UHD players. Naturally, the company wants these players to succeed. They want to sell them in quantities that makes the company proud. If they would add 4K UHD capabilities to the PS4 Pro, many people would simply forgo a settop player and use the PS4 Pro as their player of choice, the way they did when the PS3 first arrived, complete with Blu-Ray capabilities. Only this time they don’t have a format war to win (remember, Blu-Ray competed heavily against HD-DVD at the time and the PS3 was essentially the format’s secret weapon that decided the war), so there is no need for them to cannibalize their own divisions. When it comes right down to it, the lack of 4K UHD disc support is simply a business decision that actually makes sense for the company. Why? Because this is not the end of the story.

Is it possible? It is not only possible. It is extremely likely. There is no technical limitation. The PS4 Pro is capable of decoding and displaying full 4K UHD video streams with HDR, and the console is capable of reading Blu-Ray discs. That is all the hardware capability you need to play 4K UHD discs. Everything else is merely software to facilitate the data transport from the disc to the display logic and to handle things such as disc menus etc, all of which follow established Blu-Ray specifications, only at a higher resolution and in an extended colorspace.

So, once again, before you dismiss the PS4 Pro as a failure and as a no-purchase because it doesn’t support 4K UHD discs, think again. This limitation will be only temporary and its solution will be a mere firmware update away.

 

source: http://www.dvdreview.com/2016/09/ps4-pros-inability-play-4k-uhd-discs-no-doubt-short-lived/



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Are you saying SONY is forcing their customers to buy a separate box for UHD Blu-Rays? For any other company this would be far from a solid defense.



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FunFan said:
Are you saying SONY is forcing their customers to buy a separate box for UHD Blu-Rays? For any other company this would be far from a solid defense.

Huh?

Article implies SONY does not want consumers to use a PS4 as a default 4K player and hurt the sales of a future dedicated 4k player the way PS3 hurt sales of SONY's Bluray players. It will come after SONY gets its dedicated 4k player off the ground.



FunFan said:
Are you saying SONY is forcing their customers to buy a separate box for UHD Blu-Rays? For any other company this would be far from a solid defense.

I think a separate box player is indeed a fair justice to consumers who are more of a video elitists. Sony can market these separate players for them rather than via a dominant brand which could hurt those sales.



GameAnalyser said:
FunFan said:
Are you saying SONY is forcing their customers to buy a separate box for UHD Blu-Rays? For any other company this would be far from a solid defense.

I think a separate box player is indeed a fair justice to consumers who are more of a video elitists. Sony can market these separate players for them rather than via a dominant brand which could hurt those sales.

In that case, they can throw a wink to their future Pro customers and let them somehow know they dont have to buy a separate box for UHDBR.



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FunFan said:
GameAnalyser said:

I think a separate box player is indeed a fair justice to consumers who are more of a video elitists. Sony can market these separate players for them rather than via a dominant brand which could hurt those sales.

In that case, they can throw a wink to their future Pro customers and let them somehow know they dont have to buy a separate box for UHDBR.

Well, you still miss the point and the essence. Sony wants those players to be sold separately. Well SIE head Andrew House has reaffirmed against the article's technical points, that a firmware upgrade will not be possible to add the support.  Even a slightest wink to Pro customers could hurt.



Well then they will miss out on the people who would buy a PS4Pro for the 4K BR player instead...

Lets face it, the people who really want 4K players, want it now. So Sony might lose costumers to the XB1S or different brand BR players.



That doesn't make sense at all. Firstly, your assumption that the laser currently in the console is able to process more layers than it was built for is completely grabbed out of the air. Secondly, The PS4 has a lot more worth to Sony than any Bluray player, simply because you can consume a lot more Sony content through a PS4 than you could with a Bluray player. I don't see any reason why Sony would actively discourage people from buying the PS4. The divisions are not a rivalry.



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vivster said:
That doesn't make sense at all. Firstly, your assumption that the laser currently in the console is able to process more layers than it was built for is completely grabbed out of the air. Secondly, The PS4 has a lot more worth to Sony than any Bluray player, simply because you can consume a lot more Sony content through a PS4 than you could with a Bluray player. I don't see any reason why Sony would actively discourage people from buying the PS4. The divisions are not a rivalry.

Well, it sound similar to "lets not announce this revision/upgrade to this console too early so it doesnt hurt the sales of the current console".



GameAnalyser said:
FunFan said:

In that case, they can throw a wink to their future Pro customers and let them somehow know they dont have to buy a separate box for UHDBR.

Well, you still miss the point and the essence. Sony wants those players to be sold separately. Well SIE head Andrew House has reaffirmed against the article's technical points, that a firmware upgrade will not be possible to add the support.  Even a slightest wink to Pro customers could hurt.

The pint at the essense is that SONY doesn't want to compete with themselves. Thats obvious. They want to sell their UHDBD boxes without having to offer an advantage for buying them over the PS4Pro, such as a remarkably lowered price for those that dont care about gaming. I wonder if their electronics and gaming divisions are on a fight over this.

Edit - Probably. Thats what I got from that article at least. Sorry for posting this as if it was fact.



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