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JEMC on 24 August 2016
dongo8 said:
zorg1000 said:

So im a bit confused, at first you said an underpowered device like this will be like Wii U and get no 3rd party support and sell poorly then JRPGfan said that this is more of a handheld so its the 3DS successor as well, which gets far stronger support and has far better sales than Wii U despite being the most outdated hardware of all current devices.

Your reply was that it personally doesnt appeal to you, that doesnt really explain if you still believe its destined to fail or not. And if you do still think it will fail, why?

The other question I would have regarding this. Sure it doesn't appeal to you personally, but can you speak for the 60 million 3ds owners or the approximately 13 ish million Wii U owners? They are guaranteed to grab basically the entirety of their handheld market, and at least a portion of the home console market, including possibly more from other home consoles depending on their approach with this thing. I believe if anything it is destined to be a huge success, especially with all of the crazy hype around it.

I can't and won't speak for all those users, but as a Wii U owner I'm not interested in a handheld NX, even if it connects to a TV.



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zorg1000 on 24 August 2016
JWeinCom said:
Unless there is some absolutely amazing controller, or the base increases the power of this thing, then this is downright suicidal.

Nintendo's handheld audience doesn't really seem to care that much about power. When you look at the biggest handheld and mobile successes, graphics have played little to no role in the success.

For the console market, this thing is going to get basically zero third party support. Coming off the failure of the Wii U, considering the relative install bases, and considering historical performance of third party games on the NX, it's hard to make a good case for third party development.

What we have is a Wii U, except the gamepad can come with you. And while that's kind of neat, it's nowhere near enough to overcome the Wii U's many flaws.

Which is why I don't really believe in these rumors. It just seems too stupid to be true. It's possible that the rumors are partly true, or are missing some details that would make it make sense. As it is though, the picture they paint is simply awful. It's somewhat disconcerting that anyone is defending them.

I think you and many others are thinking about this device in the wrong way.

The primary purpose is to allow for a single device to get the combined the support of Nintendo's handhelds & consoles.

This device will likely get strong 3rd party support, just that it will primarily consist of Japanese, indie & family friendly games.

Anybody who honestly thought Nintendo was going to actively push for a device so that it could get things like Grand Theft Auto, Elder Scrolls, etc. had unrealistic expectations.



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Soundwave on 24 August 2016

Too many variables to make any kind of final prediction but looking at the market today, I think Nintendo is looking at strong sales of NX in Japan, but probably just "ok", maybe somewhat mediocre sales in the West.

It will really depend on how they handle the Android issue IMO. A portable device released in this day and age without access to the app features kids/teenagers/grown ups love is going to be a tough sell in the West even with all the Nintendo games. They need to square up with this audience and get them on their side instead of fighting against mobile. You can't win that fight. If they could do that the upside in sales for the unit could change. 

I would say 35-50 million right now for NX though, that would be down from the 3DS, but it could still be a decent number. I'm assuming that Nintendo will get some design elements right, but a few wrong. I guess that would be disspointing in the context that Wii U + 3DS sold probably about 74-75 million but I think Nintendo will also have large profits from a new second (first?) pillar this gen which will be mobile games so that more than cancels out the contribution made by the Wii U this gen. If they have a break out new type of hit software obviously that number goes up. 



bigtakilla on 24 August 2016
Werix357 said:
bigtakilla said:

I'll just say if the rumor is true, Japan is on lock. For the rest of the world though it's honestly going to come down to price. That said, if they can get even a 720p handheld, 1080p when docked hybrid to the market and have it come with LoZ: BOTW in the box for $350 or less I see it doing very well (The system with no game $300 or less). For Nintendo, selling systems greatly depends on price point, and I simply don't think they'll need the X2, nor would it be financially benificial for them to use it. I mean, everyone here is talking about the X2's power compared to Wii U, but if you compare the rumored specs of X2 to the X1, it doesn't really seem like all that big of an improvement. The benifits wouldn't outweigh the risks.

If Nintendo were using the X1 i then development kits should have launched early last year.

Maybe to avoid possible leaks they waited till the last minute, I mean in the same rumor that started all this it's plainly stated the dev kits have the X1 chip anyways, which completely counters your point.



Soundwave on 24 August 2016

Dev kits did ship last did they not? The WSJ report is from October of last year. It's possible Nintendo was using some type of different chip at that time and the Tegra X1 was only put into more modern kits, looks like that's going to be replaced by a Pascal Tegra in the last round of kits.



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PwerlvlAmy on 24 August 2016

I'm just wondering how Nintendo is ''guaranteed'' the 60m people coming over to the NX like people have been stating.



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Soundwave on 24 August 2016
PwerlvlAmy said:
I'm just wondering how Nintendo is ''guaranteed'' the 60m people coming over to the NX like people have been stating.

I wouldn't say 60 million is gaurunteed. 

My personal guess would be 40-50 million or thereabouts (of course this is subject to change since I'm dealing with limited information). 

That's still I mean pretty decent ... you wouldn't say the Super NES was a massive failure. Nintendo would make good money from a usberbase that size. 

It could be lower, could be higher obviously we have no way of knowing how the broader market will react to this concept.



dongo8 on 24 August 2016
PwerlvlAmy said:
I'm just wondering how Nintendo is ''guaranteed'' the 60m people coming over to the NX like people have been stating.

The reason I am saying this is because 3DS is considered a "weak" handheld by all accounts, so sales are also considered a bit lower than they should be. The NX sounds like it could be a handheld with the power greater than a Wii U with Nintendo games on it. Since this would be possibly the only unit that would play the games while being able to hook to a TV if you so choose, I would think that sales would AT LEAST match the 3DS, with some other carryover from competition of course. So I could see it making 60m+ for sure all things considered.



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PwerlvlAmy on 24 August 2016
dongo8 said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
I'm just wondering how Nintendo is ''guaranteed'' the 60m people coming over to the NX like people have been stating.

The reason I am saying this is because 3DS is considered a "weak" handheld by all accounts, so sales are also considered a bit lower than they should be. The NX sounds like it could be a handheld with the power greater than a Wii U with Nintendo games on it. Since this would be possibly the only unit that would play the games while being able to hook to a TV if you so choose, I would think that sales would AT LEAST match the 3DS, with some other carryover from competition of course. So I could see it making 60m+ for sure all things considered.

yeah i just cant for the life of me seeing the rumor NX hitting 60m+ life time. Japan cant carry it alone and I couldnt see this concept being popular in america,but hey i could be wrong lol



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Miyamotoo on 24 August 2016
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:

I really don't see what you try to prove here, from statment its obvious they were not sure about form factor or number of devices (very first sentence is "The exact shape of the NX hardware isn't yet clear") even they were right about concept, but they sound confident about that NX will use industry-leading chips.

I'm saying that when you get two out of three things wrong in your rumor (at least according to the newest rumors), it's really hard for me to believe the third.

What two things are wrong from that rumor exactly!?