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Are the olympics going to become a disaster?

Yes! 79 49.07%
 
No! 75 46.58%
 
It won't be, because it'll be canceled! 7 4.35%
 
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Ruler said:
JRPGfan said:

That is some nasty water... unbelievable they care so little for the enviroment they live in.

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope

Most other countries clean their sewage water before just releaseing it into the ocean.

Did you see that youtube video, that was linked earlier on in the thread? that was some nasty water.



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Ruler said:
JRPGfan said:

That is some nasty water... unbelievable they care so little for the enviroment they live in.

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope

I don't think he ever done that.

Nuvendil said:
DonFerrari said:

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

My media doesn't report much on Brazil very often and if it has lately, I don't watch it much because it's, as I said, sensationalist to a ludicrous degree, especially right now (election year).  I did some research and the overwhelming evidence is that the overall crime rates in Brazil are far, far higher than the US and most of Europe.  

However, you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me ALL the tens of thousands of murders above the ammount committed in the US is due to gangs?  Also, if we factor out street gang violence crime in the US goes down as well by a bit.  And my point was not that Brazil is a cesspool that doesn't deserve the olympics, I am kinda neutral on that whole discussion since security of the Olympic area will be far higher than normal for any country.  It was that his statement was patently, incontrovertibly false, an excessive whitewashing of Brazil and mud flinging at the US and EU.

Edit:  I am also not saying the US is the perfect and glorious Eagleland to which all should aspire.  We have our issues as well.  I only ask we all live in reality, not nationalist fiction.

Well, I guess the guy is just showing that the other one being hostile to brazil was pretending to live in a place without issues and that brazil is the end of the world.

And sure Brazil criminality, violence and corruption is over the top. My point is that the numbers are a lot inflated by internal killing between drug gangs. Sure USA numbers can also be inflated. But only looking at numbers can be deceiving.

Last year I have been to New Orleans (and before to Portland) and there were a whole bunch of drug addicts defecating in the streets, criminals walking the streets and a whole bunch of homeless (saw a lot of that in Las Vegas too) so USA isn't a lot better in all region (as much as Brazil isn't a lot worse than most USA regions) but if we compare Rio de Janeiro to Dallas it sure will be very bad. But if you compare São José dos Campos to New Orleans we are a lot better.

One colleague came from USA to audit us, and he received 10 pages of caution advisory (including crime, zika, etc) and were completely scared. After being here for the week he were totally fine with the place and said he feared New Orleans a lot more.

Rogerioandrade said:
DonFerrari said:

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

Those gangs kill a lot of innocent people, just saying. And they are everywhere in this country.

Yes they do kill a lot of innocent (and of course, a lot of people that pretend to be innocent but had debts with then). And sure, some syndicates are well spread.

JRPGfan said:
Ruler said:

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope

Most other countries clean their sewage water before just releaseing it into the ocean.

Did you see that youtube video, that was linked earlier on in the thread? that was some nasty water.

Yes, hearing enviroment care from people who lives in countries that already destroyed their whole environment is quite funny (even more if they are from USA which didn't sign-off Kyoto Protocol and send their companies production to places that doesn't have harsh legislation and polute there to sell to USA either way).



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Worst opening ceremony I've watched and seeing all the other troubles surrounding this olympics, Brazil should be ashamed for organizing this show. Very cheap and yet still so poorly planned. No wonder it has the lowest tv ratings in decades. I've also seen a video compilation of thiefs robbing people in broad daylight in Rio, place is unreal. This was the moment for Brazil to show itself as an upcoming nation like China in 2008.



Turkish said:

Worst opening ceremony I've watched and seeing all the other troubles surrounding this olympics, Brazil should be ashamed for organizing this show. Very cheap and yet still so poorly planned. No wonder it has the lowest tv ratings in decades. I've also seen a video compilation of thiefs robbing people in broad daylight in Rio, place is unreal. This was the moment for Brazil to show itself as an upcoming nation like China in 2008.

This is a big critic of mine too. The opening ceremony was just "Brazil party country". But i think it has more to do with the city. Rio de Janeiro is known internally for not taking itself seriously and it's people to be too Poliana (a character in a popular novel that makes the happy game all the time, trying to see the best ouy of the worst and even veing ridiculous at times). Have the games been in other more business oriented city like Sao Paulo or to a more political and imponent city like Brasilia it would be a very different story. 



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As a Brazilian and personally against the idea of accepting hosting these games, I can say that things will be fine, just as the WC was. It's really not a big deal to make it work.

The traffic will be ok. They moved the school vacations to August, so the movement drops drastically and things will work. Security will also be a no issue because the national guard and the army are providing security, so the city will be relatively calm. The security issues are more in the downtown area and north region of the city. Tourists will stay at the south area and maybe at Barra, both regions are reasonably safe and will be heavily watched by the army. I'm not saying that Rio IS safe, because it isn't. I don't live at Rio because I personally don't like it, but I live at a nearby city and work/study there. But with the extra protection, things will be way safer until the games are over.

You also seems to not understand how Zika works. It's gone now. Like Dengue, it's transmitted by a mosquito, so it only spreads on the summer. We are on winter, so it's just gone.

The water is indeed a problem. Guanabara bay is heavily polluted because most sewage from Rio isn't treated. For tourists, this a no issue, because the beaches in the bay are Flamengo, Botafogo and other that people simply won't go to swim. Copacabana and Ipanema are not located at the bay, they are in the ocean, so they are clean. The swimming competition will be here. I don't know why the boat competition will be at the Bay, really. They could do it at the oceanic beaches or simply move this to Barra. They could also do it outside of Rio, in any city of the Lakes region (it's just a name, there are no "lakes", just clean beaches), they are just 2 hours from Rio.

While Rio has a lot of problems, it's not that hard to hide them or use short term solutions to avoid them for less than a month. Just pour a ton of public money and allow some unrealistic usage of government resources and things can work for 30 days.

But seeing the games happening here, I actually wonder why anyone would want to host this or a WC. It's a big, massive expensive party. Ok, you get a lot of tourist pouring cash in you local economy, but the budgest for this event exceeds this income by far. Olympic legacy? A bunch of installations destined to sports that are not popular here and will just be abandoned by lack of use. I do really hope that Brazil don't try to host anything like that again, but in some decades people will forget this stuff and it will happen all over again.



DonFerrari said:
Nuvendil said:

My media doesn't report much on Brazil very often and if it has lately, I don't watch it much because it's, as I said, sensationalist to a ludicrous degree, especially right now (election year).  I did some research and the overwhelming evidence is that the overall crime rates in Brazil are far, far higher than the US and most of Europe.  

However, you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me ALL the tens of thousands of murders above the ammount committed in the US is due to gangs?  Also, if we factor out street gang violence crime in the US goes down as well by a bit.  And my point was not that Brazil is a cesspool that doesn't deserve the olympics, I am kinda neutral on that whole discussion since security of the Olympic area will be far higher than normal for any country.  It was that his statement was patently, incontrovertibly false, an excessive whitewashing of Brazil and mud flinging at the US and EU.

Edit:  I am also not saying the US is the perfect and glorious Eagleland to which all should aspire.  We have our issues as well.  I only ask we all live in reality, not nationalist fiction.

Well, I guess the guy is just showing that the other one being hostile to brazil was pretending to live in a place without issues and that brazil is the end of the world.

And sure Brazil criminality, violence and corruption is over the top. My point is that the numbers are a lot inflated by internal killing between drug gangs. Sure USA numbers can also be inflated. But only looking at numbers can be deceiving.

Last year I have been to New Orleans (and before to Portland) and there were a whole bunch of drug addicts defecating in the streets, criminals walking the streets and a whole bunch of homeless (saw a lot of that in Las Vegas too) so USA isn't a lot better in all region (as much as Brazil isn't a lot worse than most USA regions) but if we compare Rio de Janeiro to Dallas it sure will be very bad. But if you compare São José dos Campos to New Orleans we are a lot better.

One colleague came from USA to audit us, and he received 10 pages of caution advisory (including crime, zika, etc) and were completely scared. After being here for the week he were totally fine with the place and said he feared New Orleans a lot more.

 

The plural of anecdote is not data. To claim New Orleans as a whole as very dangerous and unsafe place is just mindblowing. It has its ghettos, but the tourist sections are trashy and inebriated, not dangerous.



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outlawauron said:
DonFerrari said:

Well, I guess the guy is just showing that the other one being hostile to brazil was pretending to live in a place without issues and that brazil is the end of the world.

And sure Brazil criminality, violence and corruption is over the top. My point is that the numbers are a lot inflated by internal killing between drug gangs. Sure USA numbers can also be inflated. But only looking at numbers can be deceiving.

Last year I have been to New Orleans (and before to Portland) and there were a whole bunch of drug addicts defecating in the streets, criminals walking the streets and a whole bunch of homeless (saw a lot of that in Las Vegas too) so USA isn't a lot better in all region (as much as Brazil isn't a lot worse than most USA regions) but if we compare Rio de Janeiro to Dallas it sure will be very bad. But if you compare São José dos Campos to New Orleans we are a lot better.

One colleague came from USA to audit us, and he received 10 pages of caution advisory (including crime, zika, etc) and were completely scared. After being here for the week he were totally fine with the place and said he feared New Orleans a lot more.

 

The plural of anecdote is not data. To claim New Orleans as a whole as very dangerous and unsafe place is just mindblowing. It has its ghettos, but the tourist sections are trashy and inebriated, not dangerous.

And Brazil as a whole or even Rio as a whole isn't the place you are making it out to be. So why don't you use your own conclusion in there...

And sorry about NOLA... but it isn't just a ghetto, very near the river on the french part, close to the hotel for several blocks it was almost a dumpster.



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DonFerrari said:
outlawauron said:

 

The plural of anecdote is not data. To claim New Orleans as a whole as very dangerous and unsafe place is just mindblowing. It has its ghettos, but the tourist sections are trashy and inebriated, not dangerous.

And Brazil as a whole or even Rio as a whole isn't the place you are making it out to be. So why don't you use your own conclusion in there...

And sorry about NOLA... but it isn't just a ghetto, very near the river on the french part, close to the hotel for several blocks it was almost a dumpster.

Well I'm not going to rush to the defense of New Orleans.  It is one of the rougher - perhaps among the roughest - large cities in the country.  And some areas are still feeling the effects of the hurricane disaster that left it an utter wreck years back.  But to judge the US based on New Orleas would be like judging Brazil based on Rocinha.  Also, State crime rates vary widely as well.



DonFerrari said:
outlawauron said:

The plural of anecdote is not data. To claim New Orleans as a whole as very dangerous and unsafe place is just mindblowing. It has its ghettos, but the tourist sections are trashy and inebriated, not dangerous.

And Brazil as a whole or even Rio as a whole isn't the place you are making it out to be. So why don't you use your own conclusion in there...

And sorry about NOLA... but it isn't just a ghetto, very near the river on the french part, close to the hotel for several blocks it was almost a dumpster.

The French Quarter is a dumpster, but that's because it's a hedonist paradise and tourist attraction not because you're in danger. People go there to get krunk and see naked ladies. 

The actual dangers of being in New Orleans are mostly limited to where you are in the town. There are some really terrible areas, but New Orleans is also seen as one of the best hosts in the world for major sporting events. They're very common picks to host Super Bowls, All-Star Games, etc. Even with it's exagerrated crime rates (by excluding all suburbs and only counting the 350k city population), it's still has lower crime levels than Rio de Janeiro.

Your comparison was suprising for me because of the sheer difference in those two cities, I don't think the problems are comparable. Such a scale difference.



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