Will the olympics be a disaster?

[DonFerrari]

Ruler said:

JRPGfan said:

That is some nasty water... unbelievable they care so little for the enviroment they live in.

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope

I don't think he ever done that.

Nuvendil said:

DonFerrari said:

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

My media doesn't report much on Brazil very often and if it has lately, I don't watch it much because it's, as I said, sensationalist to a ludicrous degree, especially right now (election year).  I did some research and the overwhelming evidence is that the overall crime rates in Brazil are far, far higher than the US and most of Europe.  

However, you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me ALL the tens of thousands of murders above the ammount committed in the US is due to gangs?  Also, if we factor out street gang violence crime in the US goes down as well by a bit.  And my point was not that Brazil is a cesspool that doesn't deserve the olympics, I am kinda neutral on that whole discussion since security of the Olympic area will be far higher than normal for any country.  It was that his statement was patently, incontrovertibly false, an excessive whitewashing of Brazil and mud flinging at the US and EU.

Edit:  I am also not saying the US is the perfect and glorious Eagleland to which all should aspire.  We have our issues as well.  I only ask we all live in reality, not nationalist fiction.

Well, I guess the guy is just showing that the other one being hostile to brazil was pretending to live in a place without issues and that brazil is the end of the world.

And sure Brazil criminality, violence and corruption is over the top. My point is that the numbers are a lot inflated by internal killing between drug gangs. Sure USA numbers can also be inflated. But only looking at numbers can be deceiving.

Last year I have been to New Orleans (and before to Portland) and there were a whole bunch of drug addicts defecating in the streets, criminals walking the streets and a whole bunch of homeless (saw a lot of that in Las Vegas too) so USA isn't a lot better in all region (as much as Brazil isn't a lot worse than most USA regions) but if we compare Rio de Janeiro to Dallas it sure will be very bad. But if you compare São José dos Campos to New Orleans we are a lot better.

One colleague came from USA to audit us, and he received 10 pages of caution advisory (including crime, zika, etc) and were completely scared. After being here for the week he were totally fine with the place and said he feared New Orleans a lot more.

Rogerioandrade said:

DonFerrari said:

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

Those gangs kill a lot of innocent people, just saying. And they are everywhere in this country.

Yes they do kill a lot of innocent (and of course, a lot of people that pretend to be innocent but had debts with then). And sure, some syndicates are well spread.

JRPGfan said:

Ruler said:

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope

Most other countries clean their sewage water before just releaseing it into the ocean.

Did you see that youtube video, that was linked earlier on in the thread? that was some nasty water.

Yes, hearing enviroment care from people who lives in countries that already destroyed their whole environment is quite funny (even more if they are from USA which didn't sign-off Kyoto Protocol and send their companies production to places that doesn't have harsh legislation and polute there to sell to USA either way).