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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony Q1 2016: 3.5M PS4, Game Division Posts 44 billion Yen Operating Profit

Based on estimates PS4 outshipped the X1 by over 4:1 this quarter.

Insane. This is why Sony didn't need to reveal a slim or Neo at E3. The thing is selling like hot cakes. Focus on the regular ps4 and psvr and let them do their work.

When the time comes nearer reveal the other stuff and let them release closer to the initial hype. Sony playing their cards perfectly.

 

Edit: come the end of fiscal year 2016 ps4 will be close to the 60m mark.  The 360 and ps3 lifetime totals will be within sight.  They'll probably pass them out come the end of calendar year 2018. A true beast. 



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BraLoD said:
Good to see Sony doing well.

And VGC undertracking the PS4... I remember when I used to say those words constantly XP

Bralod probably the opposite!

These are sony's financial results report, they disclose shipments not sales...



Kerotan said:

Based on estimates PS4 outshipped the X1 by over 4:1 this quarter.

What estimate?

There is no way to know XB1 shipments...



Intrinsic said:
ZhugeEX said:

Sure. 

 

So before 2006 (Before PS3 launch), Sony used to report Production Shipments. 


A Production Shipment is from the Manufacturer to Sony's distribution centers. 

A Consolidated Shipment (PS3 & PS4) or Sell In as it is commonly known is a Shipment from the Manufacturer, to the distribution center, then to the retailer. 

 

So Production Shipments are artificially higher as they may not have been purchased or shipped to retailers just yet. Back in the day this was the preferred method by everyone, but in tbhis digital age they use Sell In. 

 

Both are similar, but not the same. 

 

As an example. 

 

Sony reported that they had production shipments of 1.84 million for the first quarter of PS3 sales, but in actuality, only 1.66 million were sold in to retailers. 

 

The above is not to be confused with sell through which is the sale from retail to consumer. 

Hmmmm....

Would it be right to then say that the number here, 3.5M sell in is actually lower than the overall production shipment number?

So for the quarter Sony sold in 3.5M consoles to retailers, but may have made a total of 4M consoles for the whole quater and still have 500k consoles chilling out in their distribution centres worldwide? 

Production Shipments, due to their nature, will always be higher as they include both the amount sold to retail + the amount still in distribution centers. 

But there is a reason Sony don't use Production Shipments anymore. 

They recognise revenue once a PlayStation 4 is sold in and so this is the preferred reporting method. It's better to use this one. Besides, Sony don't even report Production Shipments anymore. 

Production Shipments are only used for historical data as that was the only method reported at the time. 



Releasing Neo this year will be great for them. A year head start on top of the already huge gap.



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Ryng_Tolu said:
Kerotan said:

Based on estimates PS4 outshipped the X1 by over 4:1 this quarter.

What estimate?

There is no way to know XB1 shipments...

Gaf estimates based on all known and available data. 



Kerotan said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

What estimate?

There is no way to know XB1 shipments...

Gaf estimates based on all known and available data. 

My ass make better estimate than Gaf.



BraLoD said:
tak13 said:

Bralod probably the opposite!

These are sony's financial results report, they disclose shipments not sales...

Zhuge post says it's 43.5M retail sales.

43.5M sold in. That's to retailers.



Ryng_Tolu said:
Kerotan said:

Gaf estimates based on all known and available data. 

My ass make better estimate than Gaf.

I'm asstimating that's not true.  



Kerotan said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

My ass make better estimate than Gaf.

I'm asstimating that's not true.  

Of course always depend what gaffer are you talking about. For example, if you talk about me then that's ok :P too bad 80% of Gaffer have no idea of how sales work.

 

[Ok I'm half ironic with this comment, but i hope you get what i mean]