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Goodnightmoon on 21 July 2016
Nuvendil said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Why does the US needs to be involved in everything, this is an Ukranian guy in Poland, what the fuck has US to do with an Ukranian boy in Poland, sometimes I think they are really the most hateful nation in the planet, they really think they have the right to do anything anywhere.

Ukraine is a signatory nation of the Bern Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works.  The US is as well.  As such, the US can pursue in signatory countries those who violate the copyrights of citizens of the US.  Ukraine could, if they so desired, pursue a US citizen for violations of Ukrainian copyright.

He was in Poland though, did Ukraine gave permission to arrest him or something? Anyway it makes more sense knowing that, thanks for the information.



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Darwinianevolution on 21 July 2016

OH, COME ON!! So what, all the movies stored there that are public domain are also stealing? The games of companies long gone and extinguished, to which there is no other way to get them are also stealing? If I want to get a ROM of a game I already bought, is that also stealing? Or a copy of a song I bought years ago? Bah!



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Mr.Playstation on 21 July 2016

No wonder I couldn't access it :P.

Anyways it will be back soon enough.



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Nuvendil on 21 July 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Nuvendil said:

Ukraine is a signatory nation of the Bern Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works.  The US is as well.  As such, the US can pursue in signatory countries those who violate the copyrights of citizens of the US.  Ukraine could, if they so desired, pursue a US citizen for violations of Ukrainian copyright.

He was in Poland though, did Ukraine gave permission to arrest him or something? Anyway it makes more sense knowing that, thanks for the information.

Poland is also a signatory nation.  So that's not much of an issue.  But yes, the FBI would have notified Ukraine to get clearance to take him to the States for trial.  They would be pretty hard pressed to stop such a request, being a signatory nation.  And why would they bother to fight it?  This is the dude's fault and they signed the agreement.  Basically, this is pretty SOP. 



Nuvendil on 21 July 2016
Darwinianevolution said:

OH, COME ON!! So what, all the movies stored there that are public domain are also stealing? The games of companies long gone and extinguished, to which there is no other way to get them are also stealing? If I want to get a ROM of a game I already bought, is that also stealing? Or a copy of a song I bought years ago? Bah!

What you are basically saying is that if Bob is a drug dealer but also runs a grocery store, he shouldn't be thrown in jail because some of his product is legitimate.  That's not how it works.  The fact is that 90% of the content of that site was not really old, almost inaccesible, or public domain. 



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Normchacho on 21 July 2016

Oh no! Now it will be a tiny bit harder for assholes to get things without having to give a dime to the people worked to create and distribute it?

The horror...



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DanneSandin on 21 July 2016
Nuvendil said:
DanneSandin said:
You know what's the really crazy part? This dude will get a harsher punishment that most murders and rapists.... THAT sickens me.

Or he'll get what a slap on his wrist like the owner of another site got once.  But if he does get some ridiculous number of years in prison, well that's just mathematics.  They could, in theory, charge him with thousands of counts of Criminal Copyright Infringement.  Even if they are all just 1 year, that would still be life in prison. 

I'm not sure if making a site where people can upload and download files are comparable to raping someone, even if you count thousands of copyright infringements. Raping someone will always be way worse.



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hershel_layton on 21 July 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
Good. Now if they'd just start arresting people who download illegally...

That's impossible.

 

It'd be too much effort to do so. It's better to let some people pirate than to focus on making most people who pirate go to jail



 

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vivster on 21 July 2016

People still use open trackers? That's why god invented private trackers and file hosts.



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Nuvendil on 21 July 2016
hershel_layton said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Good. Now if they'd just start arresting people who download illegally...

That's impossible.

 

It'd be too much effort to do so. It's better to let some people pirate than to focus on making most people who pirate go to jail

I don't think they would need more than a couple dozen people to make an example of to make people think twice.  Charge them together with the site owners as an ongoing criminal enterprise under the RICO Act.  If my memory serves, they could be all charged collectively with the charges.  Just make sure you pick members who are particularly bad (as in, they have consistently and frequently chosen to pirate instead of purchase) and the case would be pretty open shut   And that's easily 2.5 to 10 years in prison along with potentially thousands in fines.  If they wanted to make an example of true criminal copyright infringers and help stem the tide on that front, that's the way they could do it.