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teigaga on 17 July 2016
ArchangelMadzz said:
Well, now we're getting left-wing terrorism, I wonder if that;s going to change the dynamics of this gun control talk.

"Assailant Gavin Long, who was killed in a shootout with police, was an active member of the anti-government New Freedom Group." Sounds more like anarchist than left wing



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Rab on 17 July 2016

Jeez, the society of Judge Dredd may become a reality one day

Inequality is the cause, has there ever been a politicial that truly tried to change this? 



SkepticallyMinded on 17 July 2016

Man, if were a cop I'd be scheduling vacation for the next month until this nonsense subsides.



Aeolus451 on 17 July 2016
teigaga said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
Well, now we're getting left-wing terrorism, I wonder if that;s going to change the dynamics of this gun control talk.

"Assailant Gavin Long, who was killed in a shootout with police, was an active member of the anti-government New Freedom Group." Sounds more like anarchist than left wing

He's pretty much a fanatical BLM leftist who wanted to take matters into his own hands. He has too much of a social media prescence to paint him as something else. Here's some of his tweets. 

HIs website/blog http://convoswithcosmo.com/

His twitter. https://twitter.com/ConvosWithCosmo



Soundwave on 17 July 2016

They showed this shooter's Youtube video, basically he said he doesn't believe protesting solves anything, the only thing that does (according to his world view) is money or violence. He has a pretty nihilistic world view. 

Alton Sterling's aunt was on TV in tears pleading with people to stop the killing.

Sad. We need more love in the world. My hope is that the relationship between the black community and the police can be rebuilt brick by brick with more mutual respect and understanding, better training and more open and frank interface with the community, it's the only way this will get better. 



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Rab on 18 July 2016
Soundwave said:

They showed this shooter's Youtube video, basically he said he doesn't believe protesting solves anything, the only thing that does (according to his world view) is money or violence. He has a pretty nihilistic world view. 

Alton Sterling's aunt was on TV in tears pleading with people to stop the killing.

Sad. We need more love in the world. My hope is that the relationship between the black community and the police can be rebuilt brick by brick with more mutual respect and understanding, better training and more open and frank interface with the community, it's the only way this will get better. 

I don't think it's enough to improve the police, I think it's the whole society we live in, inequality in the USA is one of the highest in the world, the disadvantaged will push back violently if nothing changes, they have nothing to loose any more, it's already all taken away from them



Aeolus451 on 18 July 2016
Rab said:
Soundwave said:

They showed this shooter's Youtube video, basically he said he doesn't believe protesting solves anything, the only thing that does (according to his world view) is money or violence. He has a pretty nihilistic world view. 

Alton Sterling's aunt was on TV in tears pleading with people to stop the killing.

Sad. We need more love in the world. My hope is that the relationship between the black community and the police can be rebuilt brick by brick with more mutual respect and understanding, better training and more open and frank interface with the community, it's the only way this will get better. 

I don't think it's enough to improve the police, I think it's the whole society we live in, inequality in the USA is one of the highest in the world, the disadvantaged will push back violently if nothing changes, they have nothing to loose any more, it's already all taken away from them

I disagree with that. It's completely false. There's many places in the world where shit is far worse in terms of inequality. India and pakistan are good examples of it. It's just an excuse for most of them here to steal, hurt people and run wild. If this group of people wanted to seriously change things in positive ways for themselves and others, they would go to school to get into careers that influence society or better yet become cops to prove how it's done in a positive way. Violently protesting and hurting others only takes away the clout of their message and gives credence to their opposition's points. Frankly, they're extremely hypocritical about racism as a whole and their issues are overrepresented in comparison to other minorities. A fair number of 'em have a warped sense of entitlement.



SvennoJ on 18 July 2016

There's other similarities I haven't heard anyone over yet. Baton Rouge gun man was former military again (former marine this time), same as in Dallas. Perhaps the military should pay more attention to their veterans?

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160715-soldiers-criticize-army-s-handling-of-dallas-shooter-after-underwear-incident.ece
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/07/18/man-named-as-baton-rouge-shooter-was-former-marine-it-was-his-birthday.html



Machiavellian on 18 July 2016
Dunban67 said:
A long time Real Estate closing attorney recently told me he has never seen so many people use gun permits and carry permits as their 2nd form of ID at closings than he has the last year+
IMO one big reason many people are skeptical about gun control (in the US) are that it will keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens but will not slow down the amount of guns in the hands of criminals- most guns used in acts of crime and violence are not legally registered And many of those guns are bought via pawn shops, craigs list etc Additionally gun control almost certainly will not stop military contractors and our government from selling/giving guns by the millions throughout the world - many of which make their way back to the US via legal and black market trade-

Needless to say these shootings are tragic- and will make hiring and attracting quality people to become police officers much more difficult -

Actually I believe this part is neither true or false because the NRA has pretty much blocked the study of this everytime it comes up in congress.  The CDC has tried to bring this up to get funding for studying gun violence and get some solid numbers out there but everytime it comes up it gets blocked.  One thing I do know and will bring up the stat when I find it is that there is a heck of a lot of gun violence from registered owners as there is from unregistered.



Machiavellian on 18 July 2016
Soundwave said:
Azuren said:
And to think, this all spiraled out of control because cops shot a guy who was trying to pull a gun on them.

The violence in Dallas is 50-60+ years of frustration pent up, not one incident. 

You can tell when some people really do not know America.  Nothing that has happen in the last few years is just one incident, these things have been happening for decades.  The only difference is that everyone has a cell phone with a camera and a place to upload or stream these events in minutes. Every person from your preteen to grandmother is now a reporter.  A lot of incidents that would never be known are now caught and uploaded for the world to see and this is why we see these events get more noticed.  Back in the day if something went down between cops and cilivan it would be isolate to just that one area but with social media, those events are upload in minutes and find a voice before anyone one could lock it down.

The divide between blacks and cops is nothing new and just because some people see more of these incidents is the new part.