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Volterra_90 said:
Lawlight said:

No, they want the whole world to turn to Islam. And no you're not sad about the victims or their family.

They want people to turn against them, so muslim people in Western countries would feel like outcasts and support their claims of "West is evil". So far they're suceeding. It's their way of recruiting.

And, yes, I'm sad about the victims.

So far, the non-extreme Muslims have failed to acknowledge that their religion, especially the ideological aspect of it, is a big problem. I don't hear them saying "Okay, we need to stop this kind of terrorism and admit that our religion needs huge reform" except Majid Nawaaz. The non-extreme Muslims have responsibilities, too, so to solely blame Western countries is rather counterproductive.



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mai said:
Lawlight said:

A refusal to assimilate and accept the western culture.

Come to think of it, are there contemporary cultures that you might call western that are more or less successfully assimilated Muslim minority? Or maybe otherwise, Muslim culture assimilating western minority?

I would say in general, the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia have done the best job at assimilating. (The problem is, it is starting to be reversed because of the war on terror & Iraq war aftershocks.) 

France actually is one of the more divided at assimilation. 



 

Aura7541 said:
Volterra_90 said:

They want people to turn against them, so muslim people in Western countries would feel like outcasts and support their claims of "West is evil". So far they're suceeding. It's their way of recruiting.

And, yes, I'm sad about the victims.

So far, the non-extreme Muslims have failed to acknowledge that their religion, especially the ideological aspect of it, is a big problem. I don't hear them saying "Okay, we need to stop this kind of terrorism and admit that our religion needs huge reform" except Majid Nawaaz. The non-extreme Muslims have responsibilities, too, so to solely blame Western countries is rather counterproductive.

I think both cultures have their responsibilities, for sure. But I think some people in this thread are failing to see that we're also to blame. I'm not putting a percentage in each culture (that would be silly XD). But it's getting worse, so we're obviously doing things wrong.



Volterra_90 said:
Aura7541 said:

So far, the non-extreme Muslims have failed to acknowledge that their religion, especially the ideological aspect of it, is a big problem. I don't hear them saying "Okay, we need to stop this kind of terrorism and admit that our religion needs huge reform" except Majid Nawaaz. The non-extreme Muslims have responsibilities, too, so to solely blame Western countries is rather counterproductive.

I think both cultures have their responsibilities, for sure. But I think some people in this thread are failing to see that we're also to blame. I'm not putting a percentage in each culture (that would be silly XD). But it's getting worse, so we're obviously doing things wrong.

Wonder how much better or worse our world would have been if Iran took Iraq in the 80s (Pity the west interfered because the Saudis were scared). Saddam would have never been in power, to be taken out of power, to cause instability, to create this organization. 



 

Acevil said:

mai said:

Come to think of it, are there contemporary cultures that you might call western that are more or less successfully assimilated Muslim minority? Or maybe otherwise, Muslim culture assimilating western minority?

I would say in general, the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia have done the best job at assimilating. (The problem is, it is starting to be reversed because of the war on terror & Iraq war aftershocks.) 

France actually is one of the more divided at assimilation. 

Those countries doesn't have substantial Muslim minorities (% of Muslims in population):

US (0,6% as of 2008)
Canada (3,2% as of 2011)
Australia (2,2% as of 2011)
UK (4,4% as of 2011)

Let's start from 5% and up, or maybe 10% and up? For comparison:

France (7-9% as of 2015)
Germany (5,4% as of 2009)

Maybe there's some threshold above which Muslims become a problem for the locals? Is it 5%, or 10%?



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Acevil said:
Monsooni said:

Found the Social Justice Warrior.

 

Sorry but you're in denial, Muslims are globally hated for a reason, get with the times. There's nothing wrong with hating scum.

Your logic is so sound, may I present your logic back to you, The West is globally hated for a reason, get with the times. Such a perfect chain of a thought, five stars. 

(I don't like religion as the next guy (more than most), but what I do hate is loevely generalization). 

 

But the West has killed tons of Muslim scum so why should they be hated?



Soundwave said:
Monsooni said:

Found the Social Justice Warrior.

 

Sorry but you're in denial, Muslims are globally hated for a reason, get with the times. There's nothing wrong with hating scum.

Grow some balls and post on your main account, don't hide behind an alt. 

I don't have a main account, I always just sign up when I wanna say something.

 

Alt removed -RavenXtra



mai said:

Acevil said:

I would say in general, the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia have done the best job at assimilating. (The problem is, it is starting to be reversed because of the war on terror & Iraq war aftershocks.) 

France actually is one of the more divided at assimilation. 

Those countries doesn't strike me like they have substantial Muslim minorities (% of Muslims in population):

US (0,6% as of 2008)
Canada (3,2% as of 2011)
Australia (2,2% as of 2011)
UK (4,4% as of 2011)

Let's start from 5% and up, or maybe 10% and up? For comparison:

France (7-9% as of 2015)
Germany (5,4% as of 2009)

Again, I think the English speaking countries are the only good examples. Maybe Singapore? (Have no idea how much population demographic they have). 



 

Libara said:
Monsooni said:

Found the Social Justice Warrior.

 

Sorry but you're in denial, Muslims are globally hated for a reason, get with the times. There's nothing wrong with hating scum.

By the less intelligent percentage of the population,which thankfully is not the largest percentage. The rest can see the bigger picture and can take a more sensible view of things, a view that doesn't suit their agenda. Why not post with your main account, if you truly believe what you are saying?

And Muslims arn't globally hated.... I know you'd like that to be true but it just isn't.

Nah sorry SJW but Muslim scum are hated the world over, only Muslim scum like Muslim scum. The rest of the world can't stand the vermin, hell Britain voted to leave he EU just in the hopes of stopping the Muslim scum from getting in.

 

Sorry as a SJW I can understand you don't want to accept that but these countries people get pissed just from the idea of the Muslim scum getting in the country. Nobody wants them.



Acevil said:
Volterra_90 said:

I think both cultures have their responsibilities, for sure. But I think some people in this thread are failing to see that we're also to blame. I'm not putting a percentage in each culture (that would be silly XD). But it's getting worse, so we're obviously doing things wrong.

Wonder how much better or worse our world would have been if Iran took Iraq in the 80s (Pity the west interfered because the Saudis were scared). Saddam would have never been in power, to be taken out of power, to cause instability, to create this organization. 

It's really hard to know how things would be if it was the case. We have what we have, and we really have to work a lot to solve this out. I don't think that Islamophobia and banning them is the solution. As a matter of fact, I think that would make things way, way worse.