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Just shut down NRA. Look at Japan or European countries. Do they have such issues? It will take quite a while to get used to new system (inexperienced police officer panic attack or availability of guns to anyone). But eventually it will cool down.



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While the police officer is completely at fault and acted terribly and deserves punishment, cops in america are bound to be spooked when literally anyone could be carrying a firearm. If I reach for something in my pocket in the UK when being confronted by police they're not going to assume I'm reaching for a gun.



A clear hate crime and a cold blooded execution. The cop is a cowardly thug and he must be found guilty of murder.



hershel_layton said:
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2) The officer is clearly inexperienced

To see him be trembling like that and mishandle the situation, it's quite clear that this officer is either inexperienced or very flawed in nature. It could have been dealt with in a better manner. If the officer starts panicking at anyone mentioning a gun, I don't think he's fit for the job.

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5) Four shots, wowzers

When would that be reasonable? Was the officer scared the dude would rise from the dead and try to kill the officer? In no situation would I see him firing four shots be acceptable. He should've:

 

a) Only fired one shot

b) Aim at non-fatal areas. Many deaths can be prevents if people shoot in the leg. Then again, I'm sure someone with knowledge on guns can probably counterargue this.

 

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2) from what i read the officer was stated to be with the force for more than 5 years.  however,. he works in a neighboorhood where the last police shooting was "probably 30 years ago" so maybe he just wasn't trained for "this".

5) i think police training is regional but the current popular train of thought is to teach police to shoot to kill.  seems to stem out of the idea that #policeLivesMatter so better to just kill the civilian if there is any chance that the life of the police might be put into any danger.



daredevil.shark said:
Just shut down NRA. Look at Japan or European countries. Do they have such issues? It will take quite a while to get used to new system (inexperienced police officer panic attack or availability of guns to anyone). But eventually it will cool down.

It's not only gun laws. Some european states have more strict gun laws like here in Germany while others are way more lax. A huge, huge portion is the gun mentality it seems and another is badly trained cops in the US. Is there even a nationwide standard?

I remember one website about US police training that noted guns/shooting training in the very first place. And that's what's totally going wrong. As well as people being unbelievable careless with guns while they keep knives quite save. That's pretty mad.



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5) Four shots, wowzers

When would that be reasonable? Was the officer scared the dude would rise from the dead and try to kill the officer? In no situation would I see him firing four shots be acceptable. He should've:

 

a) Only fired one shot

b) Aim at non-fatal areas. Many deaths can be prevents if people shoot in the leg. Then again, I'm sure someone with knowledge on guns can probably counterargue this.

 

 

5) Four shots, wowzers

When would that be reasonable? Was the officer scared the dude would rise from the dead and try to kill the officer? In no situation would I see him firing four shots be acceptable. He should've:

 

a) Only fired one shot

b) Aim at non-fatal areas. Many deaths can be prevents if people shoot in the leg. Then again, I'm sure someone with knowledge on guns can probably counterargue this.

 

I thought I would add a bit of light to this comment with regards to police training.

A police officer is trained to aim for and shoot at the center of the body because it is the most likely place that a shot will actually hit. Even a highly trained marksmen will miss a close range to a leg, or arm when under duress. Now imagine if an officer were to try to shoot at a persons leg and miss for most of a guns clip. There is no telling who else may become injured due to the missed shots. This is also a reason why they are trained to shoot at the torso.

An officer is also trained to shoot more than once, they are trained to shoot until the assailant is nutralized, as bad as that sounds. This does not mean shoot till dead, it means shoot until the assailant stops resisting, attacking, or is otherwise immobile. This is a precaution is there for several reasons. An injured and emotional person who is "winged" will likely try everything they can to fight back if they have the means. Additionally a person who is on very strong narcotics, like PCP, will continue to be an agressor after getting shot since the drug often makes it so they don't feel wound until the adrenaline wears off.

A recap,  Officers are trained to shoot at the torso until the assailant is nutralized, this does not mean not killed.

I agree with much of what you say but felt a strong need to make sure that this information is known because it is a common misconception and arguent against police whether or not they were truly in harms way when they were required to use their gun.



I'm glad cops in my area have body cameras. If something like this happened here, there would be a clear sign of who was at fault (though in this case, evidence and video both show that this cop was fucking awful).



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Totally unnecessary provocation from the victim, but also a huge overreaction from the police. You don't kill anyone over something they said, and that's it. I don't think there's even any situation where shooting anyone over something they said would be fine.

I'd also like to point out that Europe doesn't have a problem with police violence. Something seems to be wrong with American cops.



daredevil.shark said:
Just shut down NRA. Look at Japan or European countries. Do they have such issues? It will take quite a while to get used to new system (inexperienced police officer panic attack or availability of guns to anyone). But eventually it will cool down.

the nra has absolutely nothing to do with this. if you dont like inalienable rights such as the 2A, then work to pass a new constitutional amendment to ban firearms. Stop pushing for illegal legislation to prevent people from being able to defend themselves



 

Barkley said:
While the police officer is completely at fault and acted terribly and deserves punishment, cops in america are bound to be spooked when literally anyone could be carrying a firearm. If I reach for something in my pocket in the UK when being confronted by police they're not going to assume I'm reaching for a gun.

i dont think you know what the word literally means. because all 50 states have stipulations on whos allowed to carry, and 46 even require tests and license