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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

So, it's a sexist institution then?

Only if you think equality is inherently sexist.

But you yourself said that it's equality of women only. That sounds like it discriminates based on gender/sex.



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Lawlight said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Only if you think equality is inherently sexist.

But you yourself said that it's equality of women only. That sounds like it discriminates based on gender/sex.

I never said "only", and "equality" cannot exist for only one side.  When things are equal, it is equal for both.  If not...it is inequality.  Equality cannot be inequality.

 

To think otherwise is to suffer severe cognitive dissonance or simply not understand what words mean.  Either is the product of an irrational mind and both are wrong.

 

Finally, it does not matter what it "sounds like" but rather what it actually is.  Feminism IS pursuit of equality.  If equality isn't in the equation it isn't feminism.

 

Now you know.



Locknuts said:

Girls perform better in school than boys. According to this article, approximately 2/3 of Uni students are now female.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/03/economist-explains-3

Feminists are about equality. So where are the feminists who are trying to help boys get closer to girls in the world of academia?

Also of note, is that boys performed better when the teachers did not know the gender of those whose papers they were marking.

Thoughts?

Yet 2/3 of the gender gap remained even when the teacher was not baised because little jonny is a distruptive shit in class. So some bias exists, but there is still an inherent performance gap due to social factors outside the classroom.

When you get called a "girly swot" by your "friends" at school because you studied hard and did well in a test this tends to encourage boys to not try so hard because they don't want to be called a girl. So poor academic performance by boys is actually still associated with sexism against girls, because studying hard is a girly thing.

For decades girls have learned that they can't get by being as good as a boy, if they want to get ahead they have to be better. Again this is a symptom of a sexist society. Conversely, boys have gorwn up learning that they can get by slacking off a bit and not performing as well as girls because they'll still get ahead. Again, basic sexism in society. 

And the negative social messages for women are still there. Despite girls doing better academically, men still outnumber women in the hghest positions in the corporate world, in academia and in government.



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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

But you yourself said that it's equality of women only. That sounds like it discriminates based on gender/sex.

I never said "only", and "equality" cannot exist for only one side.  When things are equal, it is equal for both.  If not...it is inequality.  Equality cannot be inequality.

 

To think otherwise is to suffer severe cognitive dissonance or simply not understand what words mean.  Either is the product of an irrational mind and both are wrong.

 

Finally, it does not matter what it "sounds like" but rather what it actually is.  Feminism IS pursuit of equality.  If equality isn't in the equation it isn't feminism.

 

Now you know.

I'm sure a lot of feminists are pursuing a reduction in male suicide rate or work-related injuries...



Lawlight said:
SuaveSocialist said:

I never said "only", and "equality" cannot exist for only one side.  When things are equal, it is equal for both.  If not...it is inequality.  Equality cannot be inequality.

 

To think otherwise is to suffer severe cognitive dissonance or simply not understand what words mean.  Either is the product of an irrational mind and both are wrong.

 

Finally, it does not matter what it "sounds like" but rather what it actually is.  Feminism IS pursuit of equality.  If equality isn't in the equation it isn't feminism.

 

Now you know.

I'm sure a lot of feminists are pursuing a reduction in male suicide rate or work-related injuries...

Indeed a lot are; safer work sites are beneficial to both sexes and suicide prevention measures are likewise beneficial for everybody. 



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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

I'm sure a lot of feminists are pursuing a reduction in male suicide rate or work-related injuries...

Indeed a lot are; safer work sites are beneficial to both sexes and suicide prevention measures are likewise beneficial for everybody. 

Yeah, I don't think they are...



Lawlight said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Indeed a lot are; safer work sites are beneficial to both sexes and suicide prevention measures are likewise beneficial for everybody. 

Yeah, I don't think they are...

You don't have to think anything; a tree falling in the middle of the forest makes a sound whether you hear it or not.  Such is the nature of reality.  You've been informed; whether you give in to cognitive dissonance or accept reality is now entirely up to you.

Have a great day.



SuaveSocialist said:
Azuren said:

Yeah, I see it leading directly to "for women".

 

equal political, economic, personal, and social rights for women

 

GG 

 

GG, thanks again for proving my case.  You...do know what "equal" means, don't you...?

You do know that the focus is on women, right? Which means they arent going to turn around and make sure men have equal rights in the event they don't? Otherwise, you know... They'd fight things like gender biased divorce laws. Except they don't. 

 

Because women already have the upper hand. 

 

So they don't care. 

 

Because they're all about women's rights.

 

So again no; Feminists don't argue for men's rights. They don't run around looking for issues or slights against the male gender. But, you know, feel free to continue being incorrect. I'm sure if you believe it hard enough, it will be true. 



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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

But you yourself said that it's equality of women only. That sounds like it discriminates based on gender/sex.

I never said "only", and "equality" cannot exist for only one side.  When things are equal, it is equal for both.  If not...it is inequality.  Equality cannot be inequality.

 

To think otherwise is to suffer severe cognitive dissonance or simply not understand what words mean.  Either is the product of an irrational mind and both are wrong.

 

Finally, it does not matter what it "sounds like" but rather what it actually is.  Feminism IS pursuit of equality.  If equality isn't in the equation it isn't feminism.

 

Now you know.

Feminism is pursuit of equality for women. Which means they aren't putting up a fight for men if or when necessary. What's so difficult to understand about that? 



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SuaveSocialist said:
Captain_Yuri said:

This! I don't think I have ever seen or met a feminist who doesn't think like that.

Then you've never seen or met a feminist.  Feminism by definition is pursuit of equality (Women|Men); Women>Men is the formula of misandry and there is no overlap.

"If you want equal rights for both men and women, you are a feminist." --Props to Teeqoz for saying it better.

That's unfortunately not how language works, or has ever worked.

Words don't operate based on prescriptive definitions. They operate based on common usage. That's why definitions change over time and why some words in a dictionary will have multiple definitions.

The common usage of feminist does NOT match the dictionary definition because the behaviour of people who call themselves feminists does not match that definition. It's really quite simple. That's why if you poll the general population, they overwhelmingly say they're in favour of equality but don't identify as a feminist: http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/04/09/82-percent-of-americans-dont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/

People who just bury their heads in the sand and try and claim ownership over words just get slowly but surely erased by history. Usage is all that matters.