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LudicrousSpeed on 25 June 2016
Zekkyou said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
lol, specs are final but there are two versions. That means they are not final.

I hope the Neo is beefier than originally rumored. This seems like BS though.

Given the opinions you've expressed in the past about the differences between the PS4 and X1, why would you care? This rumour being true (relative to past ones) would likely represent a smaller jump than what we see between the PS4 and X1, so you'd be paying more for something you don't value.

(I'm not trying to call you out or anything, i'm just curious as to what you see as being different).

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)



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LordLichtenstein on 25 June 2016
Pemalite said:
LordLichtenstein said:


The only ones who will take advantage of all that power are Microsoft's studios, maybe. There won't be much of a difference in graphical fidelity between NEO and SCORPIO, at least not in such a way that it matters.

Furthermore, Xbox gamers can have "the most powerful" console if that makes them happy, because we at Playstation have better games, better studios and much greater talent working on exclusive games. :)

If the Neo does not take advantage of the superior graphics of the PC, then Scorpio will, ergo... Scorpio will have a graphics advantage.

As for better games and studio's, that is entirely personal taste, Microsoft has one thing it can leverage though... And that is the PC. - It has more developers, more games and better graphics than the Playstation.

 

When has graphics ever made a game good? Good graphics are nice, but they don't make the game. Sony delivers on all parameters, not just graphics.

Is that right? When was the last time a Microsoft first party title won a GOTY award? When was the last time a Microsoft title scored 90+ on Metacritic, gamesranking or Opencritic?



Spade on 25 June 2016
LordLichtenstein said:
Pemalite said:

That could very well be the case, but I prefer to take a more pragmatic "wait and see" approach.
Xbox gamers will be happy in having superior graphics though either way.


The only ones who will take advantage of all that power are Microsoft's studios, maybe. There won't be much of a difference in graphical fidelity between NEO and SCORPIO, at least not in such a way that it matters.

Furthermore, Xbox gamers can have "the most powerful" console if that makes them happy, because we at Playstation have better games, better studios and much greater talent working on exclusive games. :)

Absolutely hilarious post. Just wow  

Reeks of insecurity honestly. And to your other post, Ori and the Blind Forest. 

Love how 90 is the measuring stick though. 



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Barkley on 25 June 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Zekkyou said:

Given the opinions you've expressed in the past about the differences between the PS4 and X1, why would you care? This rumour being true (relative to past ones) would likely represent a smaller jump than what we see between the PS4 and X1, so you'd be paying more for something you don't value.

(I'm not trying to call you out or anything, i'm just curious as to what you see as being different).

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)

The power difference between the originally leaked 4.2tflops and the 6tflop scorpio is roughly equivelent to XBO v PS4.

XBO: 1.31 Tflops   PS4: 1.84 Tflops    Difference: 40.45%

Neo(original rumour): 4.2 Tflops    Scorpio: 6 Tflops   Difference: 42.85%

Neo(new rumour: 5.5 Tflops   Scorpio: 6 Tflops    Difference: 9.09%



LordLichtenstein on 25 June 2016
Slade6alpha said:
LordLichtenstein said:


The only ones who will take advantage of all that power are Microsoft's studios, maybe. There won't be much of a difference in graphical fidelity between NEO and SCORPIO, at least not in such a way that it matters.

Furthermore, Xbox gamers can have "the most powerful" console if that makes them happy, because we at Playstation have better games, better studios and much greater talent working on exclusive games. :)

Absolutely hilarious post. Just wow  

Reeks of insecurity honestly. And to your other post, Ori and the Blind Forest. 

Love how 90 is the measuring stick though. 


It was published by Microsoft, not developed by them, sorry.


Insecurity? Dude, I get to play; Uncharted, The Last of Us, Persona, Spider-Man, God of War, The Last Guardian, Detroit: Become Human, Horizon: Zero Dawn and many more.

I am VERY happy with my console choice.



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Hardcore_gamer on 25 June 2016
Barkley said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)

The power difference between the originally leaked 4.2tflops and the 6tflop scorpio is roughly equivelent to XBO v PS4.

XBO: 1.31 Tflops   PS4: 1.84 Tflops    Difference: 40.45%

Neo(original rumour): 4.2 Tflops    Scorpio: 6 Tflops   Difference: 42.85%

Neo(new rumour: 5.5 Tflops   Scorpio: 6 Tflops    Difference: 9.09%

U don't know Microsoft might change the spec again if song can change spec from 4.2 to 5.5 that quick if rumours are true I'm sure Microsoft can add up more power to Xbox Scorpio 



Zekkyou on 25 June 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Zekkyou said:

Given the opinions you've expressed in the past about the differences between the PS4 and X1, why would you care? This rumour being true (relative to past ones) would likely represent a smaller jump than what we see between the PS4 and X1, so you'd be paying more for something you don't value.

(I'm not trying to call you out or anything, i'm just curious as to what you see as being different).

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)

But the 'jump' being described would (ignoring unknown variables) likely result in a gap smaller than 900p to 1080p. So my point is, if you consider that jump "piddly", why do you believe a possibly smaller hardware jump will result in significantly larger upgrades (relative to your own standards)?

Don't get me wrong, as someone to who does value the difference between 900p/1080p and things akin to it (hell, I've been gaming at 4k on my PC for a few months now, so the former has become even more of a grate for me), i also want the Neo to be stronger than previously rumoured. I'm just confused as to what, based on your past preferences, you're personally expecting to get out of it.



JRPGfan on 25 June 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Zekkyou said:

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)

Deminishing returns on image quality from scaleing resolution.

The visual image quality differnce, betweem 1080p and 4k, could be smaller than that of going from 900p to 1080p.

Seriously 4k is borderline overkill for resolution.

And until more people have 4k TVs is just a waste.

 

Basically what I am saying its, the differnce matter much much more at lower resolutions than at higher ones.

And if one is 5.5 and the other 6, the differnce will be smaller than current XB1 vs PS4.



Zekkyou on 25 June 2016
Barkley said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Um, 4k, higher and more stable framerates, and much better looking 1080p games are all much bigger than some piddly 1080p vs 900p comparison :)

The power difference between the originally leaked 4.2tflops and the 6tflop scorpio is roughly equivelent to XBO v PS4.

XBO: 1.31 Tflops   PS4: 1.84 Tflops    Difference: 40.45%

Neo(original rumour): 4.2 Tflops    Scorpio: 6 Tflops   Difference: 42.85%

Neo(new rumour: 5.5 Tflops   Scorpio: 6 Tflops    Difference: 9.09%

It's worth noting that other factors come into play (there's more to a console's power than just the GPU, and more to a GPU than just flops), but this outlines my general point. Bar surprising hardware shifts from either Sony or MS (e.g. suddenly putting a tremendous amount of value on the CPU again, which seems especially unlikely given the Scorpio and Neo's focus on compatibility with the PS4 and X1), or major bottlenecks (which we can hope neither Sony or MS are silly enough to run into), anyone not impressed by the current end-result differences between the PS4 and X1 probably shouldn't care much if the Neo is 4.1/4.2tf, or 5.5tf. The differences in the systems that would be built around those two should vary even less than between the Neo and Scorpio.

For those of us that do value that current difference enough (enough to pay extra), all aboard the Neo wishful thinking train! Choo Choo :p



Barkley on 25 June 2016
Zekkyou said:
Barkley said:

The power difference between the originally leaked 4.2tflops and the 6tflop scorpio is roughly equivelent to XBO v PS4.

XBO: 1.31 Tflops   PS4: 1.84 Tflops    Difference: 40.45%

Neo(original rumour): 4.2 Tflops    Scorpio: 6 Tflops   Difference: 42.85%

Neo(new rumour: 5.5 Tflops   Scorpio: 6 Tflops    Difference: 9.09%

It's worth noting that other factors come into play (there's more to a console's power than just the GPU, and more to a GPU than just flops),

Definitely but at the moment it's pretty much the only thing we have to compare. Just want Sony to announce the bloody thing already so people can stop making statements when we have no facts xD