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RolStoppable said:
midrange said:

Lol, first off the neo and the xbox scorpio are new concepts. The ability to support 4k gaming hasn't been done yet for consoles. But they are not replacing the current gen because the current gen is still selling.

As for the NX, Nintendo has always said that the NX would not replace the wii u:

"The NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS", said Kimishima (as translated by NeoGAF user GSR). "It's a new way of playing games, which I think will have a larger impact than the Wii U, but I don't feel it's a pure replacement for the Wii U."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/16/nintendo-president-nx-is-not-the-successor-to-the-wii-u-nor-to-the-3ds

"That being said, I can assure you we're not building the next version of Wii or Wii U"

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/12/nx_wont_be_the_next_version_of_wii_or_wii_u_says_nintendo_president_tatsumi_kimishima

But now we are replacing the wii u with the NX being the successor. Of course I could always find more sources, but before I spend more time on this, I'd like to see your sources that claim the NX was always meant to replace the wii u.

Higher resolution for video games is not a new concept. That has been done several times before.

The first quote you provided says neither Wii U or 3DS which is the same thing Iwata said. A new way to play games (a brand new concept) obviously refers to control input while "pure replacement" doesn't divert from what Iwata said before either. Kimishima is merely repeating what Iwata said. The words are slightly different because the translation isn't an official one from Nintendo.

The second quote means that the Wii brandname will be dropped. Nintendo systems have had various names, so a new Nintendo system having a different name and succeeding an old system isn't anything new either. Considering how the Wii U sold, it's no surprise that Nintendo would drop the Wii brand.

As for my sources, the already provided quotes do the job already. Your interpretation of the quotes is flawed, that's all. You are on a sales website, you know how terrible the Wii U is selling, so why would you expect that NX won't succeed the Wii U? Why would Nintendo spend additional resources on Wii U games when the system is as good as dead? NX was always going to succeed both the Wii U and 3DS since Nintendo had already talked about combining their R&D departments for home consoles and handhelds, because the technological differences weren't as pronounced as they were before, so keeping home consoles and handhelds as separate entities wouldn't make sense anymore. The benefits would also apply to game development, hence why NX was not to replace 3DS or Wii U, but rather 3DS and Wii U.

Nintendo had to find a way to support both a home console and a handheld with first party games on a more consistent basis, and when you know that, you can make the next logical step and rule out that Nintendo will support 3DS, Wii U and NX all side by side. When NX launches, the end of 3DS and Wii U will be near. Nintendo won't support three separate platforms, but only one that consists of a home console device and a handheld device. That platform is NX.

You can read up on Nintendo's Q&A sessions with investors on this website. Scroll through the newsfeed and look for "Q&A" to access the various sessions. The earliest hints at NX date back to early 2014, so a good year before it was announced. Early hints include the mention of combining R&D departments for home console and handheld, measures to improve the quantity of first party software output and the intention to redefine what a video game platform is in a good two years (that would be 2016, but alas, eventually NX got delayed). It may seem lazy that I don't point you directly to all NX-related information, but there have been a lot of Q&As over the years. Check it out if you are interested.

The only person you are convincing is yourself-   I would say you are the definition of "sophmoric" but I don t think you beleive in your own bs

It is clear what Nintendo communicated to anyone over 10 (and most under 10)  except yourself- 



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Aquamarine said:
tak13 said:

  I saw it and I forgot to ask how does she know it?  How is she able to know such a thing that only Nintendo's employees would know? I suspect something though, and maybe she makes a big mistake by a misapprehension !

 

Apropos, sales-shipments of Japan comparison,   demonstrated that there was almost no wii u stock by the end of March! Since then, wii u is selling constantly 4k and Nintendo is releasing  a splatoon wii u bundle again, in July! So, Production must have not  ended!

Insider reports, but it can be ascertained from public and semi-public information and simple conjecture. But like RolStoppable said, it's meaningless when specifically production has ended...the fact is Wii U will be no more by 2017.

Yep, we already know the console is fadding away, so keep production isn't a thing.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So in the end the system is going to sell about 14mil total. Wow...wow



tak13 said:
Aquamarine said:

Insider reports, but it can be ascertained from public and semi-public information and simple conjecture. But like RolStoppable said, it's meaningless when specifically production has ended...the fact is Wii U will be no more by 2017.

Oh thanks for clarifying it... So they have these 700k units ( if they're truly so many ) in factory ready to be shipped through the fiscal year, eh?

I don't know...it was a off-hand comment made in passing. I'm not a Nintendo employee...we hear a lot of chatter and get a lot of reports that never get made public, but I don't have specifics about Nintendo's logistics and supply chain.

The Wii U is so completely irrelevant that nobody cares about it anymore internally. Everyone's laser focused on NX.

But applying my knowledge as an accountant one would assume that 700K means the monetary aggregate of finished + WIP + Raw Materials - DM in the Inventory B/S line item, so only 100K extra procured for further production.

Wii U production is being repurposed for NX production so it makes sense that Nintendo is manufacturing so few units. There's no point in wasting machinery on a failed console...the opportunity cost is just too high.



But didn't Nintendo say the NX wasn't replacing the Wii U? *Gasp*



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oniyide said:

So in the end the system is going to sell about 14mil total. Wow...wow

Yeah! Falling from the 3.2m shipments to  only 800k in the current fiscal year, because NX anticipation/wii u premature abandoning!

The 14m isn't representantive for the wii u, it had still some potential, sales could  be more, ( perhaps 16-18m) , if Nintendo wanted to keep it  and try a bit more, but  they  wanted to get rid of the it  as soon as possible, all of their moves manifested that...

The hell, they had extremely well holidays last year in Japan thanks to splatoon ( mainly ) and super mario maker! They didn't attempt at  all  to retain that momentum or fix the shortages that the unexpected huge sales for Nintendo, had caused...



Aquamarine said:
tak13 said:

Oh thanks for clarifying it... So they have these 700k units ( if they're truly so many ) in factory ready to be shipped through the fiscal year, eh?

I don't know...it was a off-hand comment made in passing. I'm not a Nintendo employee...we hear a lot of chatter and get a lot of reports that never get made public, but I don't have specifics about Nintendo's logistics and supply chain.

The Wii U is so completely irrelevant that nobody cares about it anymore internally. Everyone's laser focused on NX.

But applying my knowledge as an accountant one would assume that 700K means the monetary aggregate of finished + WIP + Raw Materials - DM in the Inventory B/S line item, so only 100K extra procured for further production.

Wii U production is being repurposed for NX production so it makes sense that Nintendo is manufacturing so few units. There's no point in wasting machinery on a failed console...the opportunity cost is just too high.

                                They have to make money till the March 2017, though! Anyway!

What about Japan? They had unexpectedly ( for them ) very big holidays there thanks to splatoon and to a lesser extent to super mario maker,  probably they ran out of wii u Japanese inventory, since it faced shortages soon after, that Nintendo hasn't fix as of now...

Imagine, sales and shipment comparison in March,  showed that there was almost no wii u stock in Japan...!

Since then, wii u selss 4k every week, they obviously constrain the supply  ( I have inferred that Nintendo ships 4k wii u every week in Japan and they sell that out !) This happens because the remaining  inventory is tiny or inventory depleted and they had to manufacture wii u but because of NX they can't produce  a sufficient amount/production pace being extremely slow?



So much for the NX not being a replacement for the Wii U...



tak13 said:
Aquamarine said:

I don't know...it was a off-hand comment made in passing. I'm not a Nintendo employee...we hear a lot of chatter and get a lot of reports that never get made public, but I don't have specifics about Nintendo's logistics and supply chain.

The Wii U is so completely irrelevant that nobody cares about it anymore internally. Everyone's laser focused on NX.

But applying my knowledge as an accountant one would assume that 700K means the monetary aggregate of finished + WIP + Raw Materials - DM in the Inventory B/S line item, so only 100K extra procured for further production.

Wii U production is being repurposed for NX production so it makes sense that Nintendo is manufacturing so few units. There's no point in wasting machinery on a failed console...the opportunity cost is just too high.

                                They have to make money till the March 2017, though! Anyway!

What about Japan? They had unexpectedly ( for them ) very big holidays there thanks to splatoon and to a lesser extent to super mario maker,  probably they ran out of wii u Japanese inventory, since it faced shortages soon after, that Nintendo hasn't fix as of now...

Imagine, sales and shipment comparison in March,  showed that there was almost no wii u stock in Japan...!

Since then, wii u selss 4k every week, they obviously constrain the supply  ( I have inferred that Nintendo ships 4k wii u every week in Japan and they sell that out !) This happens because the remaining  inventory is tiny or inventory depleted and they had to manufacture wii u but because of NX they can't produce  a sufficient amount/production pace being extremely slow?

Japan-specific Wii U inventory is not analogous to worldwide inventory that is sitting in NoA warehouses in North Bend, Washington or NoE warehouses in Germany that need to be repurposed, or inventory that has yet to be finished.

If Nintendo is transitioning their machinery to NX machinery then there is less capacity to manufacture units to ship within Japan. And even though there is demand in Japan, it may not be worth it to waste time chasing it in lieu of going full steam ahead on NX production. Remember, Nintendo sells the majority of its software and hardware outside of Japan...the worldwide market is much more important than the domestic one.



tak13 said:
oniyide said:

So in the end the system is going to sell about 14mil total. Wow...wow

Yeah! Falling from the 3.2m shipments to  only 800k in the current fiscal year, because NX anticipation/wii u premature abandoning!

The 14m isn't representantive for the wii u, it had still some potential, sales could  be more, ( perhaps 16-18m) , if Nintendo wanted to keep it  and try a bit more, but  they  wanted to get rid of the it  as soon as possible, all of their moves manifested that...

The hell, they had extremely well holidays last year in Japan thanks to splatoon ( mainly ) and super mario maker! They didn't attempt at  all  to retain that momentum or fix the shortages that the unexpected huge sales for Nintendo, had caused...

woulda, coulda, shoulda and IMHO 16-18mil isnt anything to be proud of either. There really wasnt anything left to push it to those sales IMO. Zelda's good but it doesnt move that much consoles. Its crazy, it wasnt that long ago there were countdown threads to when WIi U would beat Vita and it looks like it wont even do that.