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DonFerrari on 20 June 2016
captain carot said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep you can disagree with him and say that the extra power will be used because of the reasons you gave (which might not end up happening since we have also seen with PS4 and X1 the 3rd party don't make much of their time optimizing the versions. So it Scorpio is 30% more powerfull they may not really use it), but you can't say that he said graphics is irrelevant.

The additional power right now is basically resolutiongate. Modern engines usually scaling well with resolution 44% more pixels eat up the additional GPU power.

And i really think that will be irrelevant. It's not even such a big deal with PS4 and One, Neo and Scorpio will likely even be a smaller difference. It's not about Scorpios power not being utilised but the results on screen. Those will be smaller than most people think.

So I'm missing your point in the thread.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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DonFerrari on 20 June 2016
maxleresistant said:
If there is something we learned a few times in gaming, is that nobody owns the market forever. And with Microsoft new strategy of ending the generation tradition, Microsoft could very well sold a lot more Xbox with scorpio, and all the while, Sony could still sell a lot of PS4/neo.

Except they would play the same game on PS4/X1 than on Neo and Scorpio, so not much incentive

Cloudman said:
Honestly, I'm just against both of these products in general. We don't need mid gen upgrades to become a standard thing in the industry. It seems like the XBO and PS4 are just starting to flex their muscles, and now upgrades are already on their way? And the older consoles will still play the same games? What's the point really? To make games look better? It's still the same game, but looks nicer.

Look, I can see that this would be nice for people who don't have those consoles yet, but what about those who bought it? Just stick with them, or sell their current console, and buy the newer one?

I just don't really see the point, especially with the scorpio boasting its power.What's the point if you can still play them on a normal XBO? It seems like a waste. Or, if it's like a new console with its own exclusive games, then this gen seems like the quickest one and feels like releasing the XBO and PS4 was a bit of a mistake.

Those are my just thoughts on the Neo and Scorpio though.

I see the point for Neo (VR, and that is why I plan on buying), now to play the same game and possibly with very minute modifications it would'nt be worth.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Swordmasterman on 20 June 2016
maxleresistant said:
If there is something we learned a few times in gaming, is that nobody owns the market forever. And with Microsoft new strategy of ending the generation tradition, Microsoft could very well sold a lot more Xbox with scorpio, and all the while, Sony could still sell a lot of PS4/neo.

I think that the Neo and the Scorpio will be too much expensive to become popular, both companies are saying that their games will run on the normal PS4 and Xbox One, this means that those consoles will be the Top-Line version of PS4 and Xbox One, Microsoft, and Sony, will price it pretty high.



Cloudman on 20 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Cloudman said:
Honestly, I'm just against both of these products in general. We don't need mid gen upgrades to become a standard thing in the industry. It seems like the XBO and PS4 are just starting to flex their muscles, and now upgrades are already on their way? And the older consoles will still play the same games? What's the point really? To make games look better? It's still the same game, but looks nicer.

Look, I can see that this would be nice for people who don't have those consoles yet, but what about those who bought it? Just stick with them, or sell their current console, and buy the newer one?

I just don't really see the point, especially with the scorpio boasting its power.What's the point if you can still play them on a normal XBO? It seems like a waste. Or, if it's like a new console with its own exclusive games, then this gen seems like the quickest one and feels like releasing the XBO and PS4 was a bit of a mistake.

Those are my just thoughts on the Neo and Scorpio though.

I see the point for Neo (VR, and that is why I plan on buying), now to play the same game and possibly with very minute modifications it would'nt be worth.

That is true if it helps with VR, but can't the standard PS4 also use PSVR?



 

              

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DonFerrari on 20 June 2016
Cloudman said:
DonFerrari said:

I see the point for Neo (VR, and that is why I plan on buying), now to play the same game and possibly with very minute modifications it would'nt be worth.

That is true if it helps with VR, but can't the standard PS4 also use PSVR?

yes it can, but they expect it to not be so great, since you would need 120fps and 1080p to have a good experience, and ps4 can only do that for graphics a lot lower than we have been used to.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Cloudman on 20 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Cloudman said:

That is true if it helps with VR, but can't the standard PS4 also use PSVR?

yes it can, but they expect it to not be so great, since you would need 120fps and 1080p to have a good experience, and ps4 can only do that for graphics a lot lower than we have been used to.

I thought those were rumors that were debunked by the guys at Sony. Though, if it was true, then that would imply that'd you would need a Neo to have a good experience with VR, and.. that would be pretty terrible.



 

              

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DonFerrari on 20 June 2016
Cloudman said:
DonFerrari said:

yes it can, but they expect it to not be so great, since you would need 120fps and 1080p to have a good experience, and ps4 can only do that for graphics a lot lower than we have been used to.

I thought those were rumors that were debunked by the guys at Sony. Though, if it was true, then that would imply that'd you would need a Neo to have a good experience with VR, and.. that would be pretty terrible.

They would have a very small marketshare if they done it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Swordmasterman on 20 June 2016
Cloudman said:
DonFerrari said:

yes it can, but they expect it to not be so great, since you would need 120fps and 1080p to have a good experience, and ps4 can only do that for graphics a lot lower than we have been used to.

I thought those were rumors that were debunked by the guys at Sony. Though, if it was true, then that would imply that'd you would need a Neo to have a good experience with VR, and.. that would be pretty terrible.

I don't think that you will need to purchase the Neo to have a decent experience with VR, Sony is letting people test VR with the normal PS4, if VR was so bad on the normal PS4 people would talk about it.



deviliscry on 20 June 2016

I stop playing my ps2 on 2008 even knowing 360 and ps3 were out,so by the time i get enough of ps4,sony will have another console out,and probably i didn't have finished the games i will get to play....only fanboys care about power and that it's very small part if the community.



captain carot on 20 June 2016
Swordmasterman said:
captain carot said:

Random PC game minimum vs. medium vs. maximum settings.

Just that those settings will likely be set by default.

Let's say Frostbyte Engine games run at 720p medium on Xbone and 900p medium on PS4, which is more or less the case. PS4 Neo could run at 1080p high and Scorpio either at ultra settings or at high with slightly higher resolution.

It's not about exclusives. It would even be the exact same version of a game.

The difference is that they would need to make a game for a Console 4.5x weaker and it need to run nice on that console,  they would not have time or aim for the Scorpio so the Resolution and the Frame Rate would be the only things that would change. Like the Neo, the thing can be different for the Neo if the focus is just 1080p 60fps and not 4K.

Wrong. That work is done. At least with every multiplat that releases on PC. Also, it's the GPU that is up to 4.5 times more powerful. So basically the first console says 'i'm a Scorpio' and the game says 'fine, here's your high res textures and that shiny shader effect, please render' while on the other hand the second console says 'i'm old and weak but they don't pay my pension' and the game says 'ok, take that low res framebuffer, medium size textures and don't do that shiny stuff'.

Devs might take higher resolution only, it's not that difficult to add detail, especially if all that work is done for PC already.