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The golden age of console gaming is upon us

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method114 on 13 June 2016

I'm excited that games will work with backwards compatibility form here on out like PCs. Normally I don't care about this stuff but ME made me change my mind.



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Naum on 13 June 2016

Sorry the golden age is long gone.



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vivster on 13 June 2016
thismeintiel said:
There will be a PS5. What we are seeing is a slight change in the generational game. From now on, we will probably be getting a half generational leap every 3 years, instead of a whole one every 6 years. You don't honestly think Sony or MS is going to demand games that come out 5-6 years from now to be compatible with the OG PS4 and XBO do you? Not going to happen.

Plus, Sony makes a ton of money off of HW. And they'll be making even more now that they have switched to x86 chips that are mostly off the shelf. By 2019, we'll have a PS5 announced, which will probably be ~9-10 Tflops.

Is it really that important what they will call the Neo 2?



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sundin13 on 13 June 2016

Is this really a good thing? I mean, I play consoles so I don't have to worry about regular hardware upgrades and multiple versions of games. Yes, they are acknowledging that PS4/XBO were underpowered, but I don't think we should praise them for finally getting their shit together three years late.

If we are throwing away the benefits of consoles, why not just go full PC (especially with MS giving us all of their games)?



RJ_Sizzle on 13 June 2016
sundin13 said:
Is this really a good thing? I mean, I play consoles so I don't have to worry about regular hardware upgrades and multiple versions of games. Yes, they are acknowledging that PS4/XBO were underpowered, but I don't think we should praise them for finally getting their shit together three years late.

If we are throwing away the benefits of consoles, why not just go full PC (especially with MS giving us all of their games)?

Maybe that might be a future strategy, everyone just migrates to Windows.



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sundin13 on 13 June 2016
RJ_Sizzle said:
sundin13 said:
Is this really a good thing? I mean, I play consoles so I don't have to worry about regular hardware upgrades and multiple versions of games. Yes, they are acknowledging that PS4/XBO were underpowered, but I don't think we should praise them for finally getting their shit together three years late.

If we are throwing away the benefits of consoles, why not just go full PC (especially with MS giving us all of their games)?

Maybe that might be a future strategy, everyone just migrates to Windows.

If Windows Store takes off, I wouldn't be surprised if MS stepped out of the console business, but I think they need to do a lot more to make that happen.



Azuren on 13 June 2016
KLXVER said:
I was excited to get the new XB1S with DR4, but the Scorpio is coming next year. Why would I not just wait for the Scorpio? Who is the XB1S for?

Because Scorpio is probably going to cost twice as much. 



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Lawlight on 13 June 2016

Generations are still happening. MS and Sony were forced to move to these new iterations due to external factors. Otherwise, we would have had 1 version of each.



fatslob-:O on 13 June 2016
JEMC said:

They don't need AMD to go down to have troubles.

What if, after Polaris and Vega, AMD decides that it can't improve their GCN architecture and design a new one? It's not that hard to imagine. How will Sony and Microsoft react to that?

To me, these new consoles only prove that consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

Sony and Microsoft would most likely react negatively if they had long term plans for backwards compatibility ... 

But I highly doubt AMD is going to shelve their baseline GPU architecture anytime soon when it was designed for the future and they intended for it to have hardware extensions from the start of it's release ... (C++ support, extremely fast local atomics, fully bindless architecture, stateless compute, tons of inspiration from Intel Larrabee etc ...) 

AMD would be insane to throw away years and years worth of current uncapitalized foundation and once all three console manufacturers double down on GCN once more, AMD should lobby Microsoft hard to share more features from the customized DirectX API on Xbox for PC so that they too can thrive while trying to cement GCN as the x86 of GPUs with future iterations or hardware extensions ... 

If AMD does decide to ditch GCN in favour of something else then I guess all three console maufacturers can try to bribe AMD to the high heavens while funding some of the latter's R&D expenses to extend the GCN architecture since the former will probably still get a better deal than the latter's competitor ... 

There's a positive side effect to becoming more like PCs since it'll streamline game development and there's more guarantees of backwards compatibility ...



thismeintiel on 13 June 2016
vivster said:
thismeintiel said:
There will be a PS5. What we are seeing is a slight change in the generational game. From now on, we will probably be getting a half generational leap every 3 years, instead of a whole one every 6 years. You don't honestly think Sony or MS is going to demand games that come out 5-6 years from now to be compatible with the OG PS4 and XBO do you? Not going to happen.

Plus, Sony makes a ton of money off of HW. And they'll be making even more now that they have switched to x86 chips that are mostly off the shelf. By 2019, we'll have a PS5 announced, which will probably be ~9-10 Tflops.

Is it really that important what they will call the Neo 2?

It will matter, because it will help differentiate generations for consumers.  The Neo and Scorpio are still part of the PS4 and XBO generation.  That's why all future games will support both models.  However, when the PS5/XB2 launches, this will no longer be the case.  People will have to upgrade to the PS5/XB2(if there is one) to get the newest games.