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hershel_layton on 03 June 2016
theprof00 said:
hershel_layton said:

Not picking on people. Said this countless times, I don't care for the jokes(I put bad examples). It's when we reach serious issues do we then see double standards having an effect.

For example, rape. Rape is a serious issue no matter the gender. However, it seems that people only care when a woman is raped. When a man's raped, it is turned into something to laugh about, with many people saying he deserved it.


Also, religious extremism. I never understood why I'm considered Islamophobic when i recommend a reformation for Islam(similar to the one for Christianity). I mean, why Islam in particular? It's not like criticizing it means I suddenly hate all Muslims and want them to die.

 

 

Additionally, never said fat people are ugly. I mentioned preferences. Some like tall, short, black, white, skinny, thick, and the list goes on. It'd be disappointing if you'd be considered a fat shamer because that isn't your preference. 

For instance, on the rape subject, I think the problem is that women get raped far more often than men do. It's something like 1 in 4 women. And like, yeah all rape isn't violent rape, but a lot of times it's women who didn't want to do something and a guy forced them. I have a lot of female friends and they've told me what happened to them and yeah, it happens.

A guy getting raped by a girl is a "joke" because predominantly, men are supposed to be powerful, and girls are supposed to be the "sex allowers". That's the society understanding. You have sex if the woman allows you to, and men are constantly chasing women to be "allowed". When the roles are reversed, it comes off as a joke because the common thinking is that you have to chase the girl, and most men understand how difficult the chase is, so it's funny to them when it's not only easy, but forced on them. You'll see the same thing about a guy who has a lot of sex. Guys will joke about it. If a guy is raped by another guy though, that's a different story, and generally not something people find funny except for douchebags.

It's like how people find irony in James A. Garfield's appointment to president, or George Washington's. Neither person wanted to be president but were somehow forced to become exactly that. Garfield was a friend of a president while JG was serving in the army. The president asked him to step down and join congress because he needed people he could trust for voting measures. He was put on the ballot 9 years later by anonymous members and he said "I didn't give any permission for anyone to put my name down". There were already 3 candidates running but the ballot was deadlocked. Somehow he was growing in votes everyday, and 5 months later was elected president.

If this were a situation more closely resembling daily life of citizens, you could see how it would be funny. 

Maybe you don't know, but women are raped and beaten a lot. People don't talk about it. Women don't report it. I know at least 3 girls who have both been raped, punched or kicked, and never pressed charges or reported it to police. Yes, you should be more careful talking about it.

 

And about religion. Hey, I'm in the same boat. You can either say it or not, but make sure what you're saying makes sense. For instance. I hate Israel. Not the people. I hate the country. It should not exist. It was created after ww2 for the purpose of giving the Jews a home after their persecution by germany. The land belonged to Palestine. It was not the Jews land. It should have never happened. Most of the terrorism problems we see today are because we put Israel on the map. It's completely unfair. IMO, we should dissolve Israel, give it back to Palestine and make amends and pay reparations.

But I'm not about to go on facebook and put that on my wall.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Last paragraph...why not? I agree as well(besides a few things). If you're not promoting hate speech(e.g kill jews, beat up trump supporters or something along those lines), then you shouldn't hesitate to say so.

 

As for giving all power to Palestine? Hah, hell no. As a fellow person from gaza(and typically lives there), I can tell you that no one here wants the president to gain any more power. Mohammad Abbas is a joke. At least Netanyahu treats his people kindly. All the millions of dollars sent to Palestine is never used. I always ask people, "why are the roads still broken? Where are the hospitals? What about the schools?". The man is a JOKE and will forever be. As for Israel, the politicians and powerful people are ridiculously bigoted. Both sides have horrible officials, while Israel has the IDF which is 10x worse than police brutality in America. Palestine still has nutjobs who think killing is rad.



 

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AmericanAli on 03 June 2016
hershel_layton said:

Allow me to give some examples:


"Women are horrible" Asshole

"Men are horrible" Absolutely fine

 

"Black people need to stop doing crimes" Asshole

"White people need to stop doing crimes" Absolutely fine

 

"I don't enjoy fat people" Asshole

"I don't prefer skinny people" Absolutely fine

 

"Muslims need to reform and solve their issues" Asshole

"(insert group of a  religion) need to reform and solve their issues"  Absolutely fine

 

"(Joke about gays)" Asshole

"(Joke about heterosexuals)" Absolutely fine

 

"Liberals are stupid" Asshole

" Conservatives are stupid" Absolutely fine

 

 

Do you see a trend? It's funny how society is so hypocritical and judgemental. People apparently love free speech, but if it goes against them, they go apeshit and throw words that have no importance due to how commonly used they are. Racist, sexist, xenophobic, and so on. I mean, dear god,  it's disgusting how millenials shaped society.

As a millenial, I am absolutely sorry for how stupid we are. I didn't think our past generation would fight so hard for equal rights just to have some buffoons go ahead and seperate us even more.


If you see the examples I listed, all I did was take out one word or phrase. That's it. It's funny how in real life taking out one word or phrase can determine if something is politically incorrect or not.

 

 

 

Edit: Perhaps my point of the thread wasn't clear.

This isn't me complaining about jokes. I receive jokes about being terrorist all the time. I could care less. It's probably something that's irritating(rather than problematic), but I think the double standards placed for certain people is annoying. Why shouldn't everyone be prone to criticism or thoughts from others?


Also, I understand that disadvantages come for certain people. That's obvious. We aren't equal in all aspects, so unfortunately some people are on top of others. However, what I realized was that Social Justice Warriors don't unite people. Instead, all they did was seperate people even more and make us have biased and generalized views against groups of people. The method millenials have chosen to address our issues has backfired incredibly. Maybe we should have realized that we all are in the wrong and right? 

Coulnd't agree with you more on this.
The recent anti- trump rallies in San Jose just proves your point even further so anyone in denial with your thesis is delusional.



theprof00 on 04 June 2016
wartaal said:
That 1 in 4 stat has been debunked so many times its not even funny any more. And its not even 1/4 but its 1 in 5.
In that report having consentual sex while intoxicated (doesnt matter who) is considered rape. Total BS

Blame all the muslim violence on Isreal? wow, just wow. Israel isnt even 70 years old. Islamic terror is 1400 years old. yeah it doesnt add up. Muslims have been killing Jews since the days of Muhamed(the perfect example of mankind).
Muahamed himself killed hundreds of Jews personally.

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.



DonFerrari on 04 June 2016
theprof00 said:
wartaal said:
That 1 in 4 stat has been debunked so many times its not even funny any more. And its not even 1/4 but its 1 in 5.
In that report having consentual sex while intoxicated (doesnt matter who) is considered rape. Total BS

Blame all the muslim violence on Isreal? wow, just wow. Israel isnt even 70 years old. Islamic terror is 1400 years old. yeah it doesnt add up. Muslims have been killing Jews since the days of Muhamed(the perfect example of mankind).
Muahamed himself killed hundreds of Jews personally.

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.

Yet in Brazil it was proved that 90% of rape reports were fake.

And as you said yourself, there is a lot of men that suffered rape and didn't report, and one study that points out that perhaps men have the same percentage of rape suffered than woman. So it is more on you to think rape against man is funny and against woman is horrible



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theprof00 on 04 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
theprof00 said:

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.

Yet in Brazil it was proved that 90% of rape reports were fake.

And as you said yourself, there is a lot of men that suffered rape and didn't report, and one study that points out that perhaps men have the same percentage of rape suffered than woman. So it is more on you to think rape against man is funny and against woman is horrible

I wouldnt trust much of anything coming out of Brazil, no offense.



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wartaal on 04 June 2016
theprof00 said:
wartaal said:
That 1 in 4 stat has been debunked so many times its not even funny any more. And its not even 1/4 but its 1 in 5.
In that report having consentual sex while intoxicated (doesnt matter who) is considered rape. Total BS

Blame all the muslim violence on Isreal? wow, just wow. Israel isnt even 70 years old. Islamic terror is 1400 years old. yeah it doesnt add up. Muslims have been killing Jews since the days of Muhamed(the perfect example of mankind).
Muahamed himself killed hundreds of Jews personally.

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.

Just saying it isnt debunked is not an argument. Even the ones who made that study says it's been used out of context.

So a girl who is intoxicated while having consentual sex is seriously fucked up? How? Why? Its called regret it has nothing to do with anything. ANd what has child molestation to do with anything. Its a giant strawmen.



Brii on 04 June 2016
wartaal said:
theprof00 said:

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.

Just saying it isnt debunked is not an argument. Even the ones who made that study says it's been used out of context.

So a girl who is intoxicated while having consentual sex is seriously fucked up? How? Why? Its called regret it has nothing to do with anything. ANd what has child molestation to do with anything. Its a giant strawmen.

FYI, a person can't give valid contsent to something if their ability to make decisions is impaired, i.e. intoxicated, a child, mentally disabled.

If a person is intoxicated, even if they said 'yes' while intoxicated, it's not 'consensual' sex.



wartaal on 04 June 2016

WHo cares about those laws? Nobody, they are rarily enforced. And only in the case of being drunk to the point of being unconscious or being forced to drink. And ofc children and mentally disabled(which i never even brought up).

Going by your definitions.
-Most people are rapists.
-Nearly everyone has been raped or has raped somebody.
-What you consider rape is perfectly normal to almost everyone. Actual rape victims will be very offended by trivializing actual rape in this way.
-2 people who are both tipsy/drunk are raping each other(wtf).

You are comparing rape to perfectly normal sex.



theprof00 on 04 June 2016
wartaal said:
theprof00 said:

It's not debunked.

Like I said, there are many people who don't report it, and yes I' have known girls who had sex while intoxicated, and are seriously fucked up because of it. Like whatever, you can have your opinion. Think whatever you want. I talk to a LOT of girls. I have a lot of friends who have opened up to me because I'm someone who doesn't judge and I have good advice. I know both men and women who have been molested and never said anything. You'd be surprised how many guys are molested as kids. You'd be REALLY surprised. It's no different with girls.

Just saying it isnt debunked is not an argument. Even the ones who made that study says it's been used out of context.

So a girl who is intoxicated while having consentual sex is seriously fucked up? How? Why? Its called regret it has nothing to do with anything. ANd what has child molestation to do with anything. Its a giant strawmen.

It's called doing things before you're ready to, because your judgement is impaired. One specific girl had sex when she was 14 the first time, and was so drunk she got passed around several guys.

Yes, it is called regret. I understand where you're coming from, but what I'm saying, as a guy who has been with a lot of women,just because it's "ok" doesn't mean she wanted it.

I've had girls tell me later that they didn't actually want to have sex sometimes but that they allowed it because they thought they would lose me. I've had two say that. It's actually more common than you'd think. Not everyone has a great sex drive. Some girls don't get any pleasure. Some can enjoy literally laying there not being touched. Seriously, I've known a girl who could just squeeze her thighs and get off without any kind of stimulation. It might seem like I'm getting off track, but I'm illustrating the broad range of how people function. I've always been upset when a girl isn't into it. A lot of girls, and I really mean a whole heck of a lot, think that they NEED to have sex in order to keep someone. Even if they don't want it.

I don't know what else to tell you. I know you disagree and you're entitled to that. I just want to make my point that rape isn't really a joke to most girls. And for a guy to be "raped" by like "a hot teacher" which does happen, some men would find that silly. Like "oh I'm sure he said no". Humans are more complicated than you're making it seem.



theprof00 on 04 June 2016
wartaal said:
WHo cares about those laws? Nobody, they are rarily enforced. And only in the case of being drunk to the point of being unconscious or being forced to drink. And ofc children and mentally disabled(which i never even brought up).

Going by your definitions.
-Most people are rapists.
-Nearly everyone has been raped or has raped somebody.
-What you consider rape is perfectly normal to almost everyone. Actual rape victims will be very offended by trivializing actual rape in this way.
-2 people who are both tipsy/drunk are raping each other(wtf).

You are comparing rape to perfectly normal sex.

Well there is also a difference between a "rapist" and somebody who was caught in a bad situation. Based on my own experiences, I've been in those situations, and it feels really bad. I didn't mean anything. I didn't know. But I do know when someone does something they don't want to because they feel pressured. I've been in situations myself where I've been pressured to do drugs, or do something stupid, and did it.

I honestly feel like you probably haven't had sex with a lot of people. I'm not trying to downplay your argument, or make fun of you or anything. I didn't have sex until I was 18, I only had sex with 2 people until I was 27. It's been a couple dozen since then. I'm just saying, it gets complicated. Sometimes, drunk sex is fine, and sometimes it isn't. It's not rape everytime. It's just coercive sometimes. And I wouldn't call drunk or tipsy sex rape. I consider something borderline rape when someone doesn't want to do something and are kinda forced to.

It's also a wicked fine line because some girls are really into rough sex. It's just a very complicated situation. It's trying to make a law that's solely based on the word of the only people who were there. I mean, I don't even know what kind of law I'd make. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I'm just not going to act like an expert on what is and what isn't rape. Just that it happens more than you'd think.