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aLkaLiNE said:
Azzanation said:

They don't need to do anything, As long as MS are making money and making good games, they will ride the flow. Its not always about selling the most consoles, its about making money. The XB1 will only get cheaper to make from this point. If the PS4K doesn't sell then Sony will most likely lose money on it, same will happen with PS-VR and we know Sony isn't exactly the richest company out there.

MS doesn't care about the PS4K, that's Sony's investment to worry about. They are clearly happy with the specs of the X1 plus they already have access to the biggest gaming community out there with Windows.

Sony are the ones taking the risk here not MS.

What gives you the idea they've made any money?

 

@OP - if MS were smart, they would either leave the video game industry or try and coexist with the major players rather than throwing a bunch of money at a project that has failed to win three times now while making attempts to compete head on.  Instead, it looks like they're leaving direct competition with Sony to take on direct competition with Steam. They're kind of fucked and I feel like they're causing brand damage to Windows as a whole in light of recent developments.

Please enlighten me on how there not making money with all the consoles, software sold and the amount of Subscribers they have and how PC gaming is relevant with the competition in the living room?



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They still have the option to dramatically reduce the price. If they are willing to take some losses, they can just reduce the price of the X1 to 149 $ or even 99 $. The console would sell like hot cakes and most people won't care one second about the better hardware of the PS4K.

Anyway, I doubt they'll do that. I think MS is more likely waiting for the next gen an consider this one lost. So all they try to do is make as much money as possible, market share doesn't seem too important to them right now.



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Azzanation said:
aLkaLiNE said:

What gives you the idea they've made any money?

 

@OP - if MS were smart, they would either leave the video game industry or try and coexist with the major players rather than throwing a bunch of money at a project that has failed to win three times now while making attempts to compete head on.  Instead, it looks like they're leaving direct competition with Sony to take on direct competition with Steam. They're kind of fucked and I feel like they're causing brand damage to Windows as a whole in light of recent developments.

Please enlighten me on how there not making money with all the consoles, software sold and the amount of Subscribers they have and how PC gaming is relevant with the competition in the living room?

Because they have tremendous R&D costs to make up for, employees to pay, server farms to power, development costs to eat, vastly lower than anticipated hardware sales which is important because they have a loss leading strategy, software is not selling like they had hoped (this is the big key to loss leading, you need massive software sales to make up for the losses on each console) they've had to make nunerous price cuts repeatedly to try and spur sales which didn't work, but definitely ate into the bottom line, uhm... I know I'm missing quite a bit more. The mere fact that they started hiding Xbox numbers this gen and only this gen should be a big red flag.

 

Did you know that they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles? Did you know that they spent over 100 million in R&D for the controller alone? Did you know that they thought they would break even on MineCraft the same year they purchased the rights and studio (sold for 2.5 billion btw)

 

The point is they are extremely out of touch with their consumers and blinded by greed. They have no business in the gaming space and quite frankly with the amount of money they've invested, they're just bad at it. 



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I guesss they just accept their position as number 2 in the industry and try to make money. This is a battle they couldn't win from the beginning. There's room for more than just the winner. McDonald's and Burger King can both make money and coexist. So can Playstation and Xbox.



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aLkaLiNE said:
Azzanation said:

Please enlighten me on how there not making money with all the consoles, software sold and the amount of Subscribers they have and how PC gaming is relevant with the competition in the living room?

Because they have tremendous R&D costs to make up for, employees to pay, server farms to power, development costs to eat, vastly lower than anticipated hardware sales which is important because they have a loss leading strategy, software is not selling like they had hoped (this is the big key to loss leading, you need massive software sales to make up for the losses on each console) they've had to make nunerous price cuts repeatedly to try and spur sales which didn't work, but definitely ate into the bottom line, uhm... I know I'm missing quite a bit more. The mere fact that they started hiding Xbox numbers this gen and only this gen should be a big red flag.

 

Did you know that they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles? Did you know that they spent over 100 million in R&D for the controller alone? Did you know that they thought they would break even on MineCraft the same year they purchased the rights and studio (sold for 2.5 billion btw)

 

The point is they are extremely out of touch with their consumers and blinded by greed. They have no business in the gaming space and quite frankly with the amount of money they've invested, they're just bad at it. 

I ignored two earlier comments in this thread which were frankly quite ignorant and shallow in thought with opinions taken from headlines elsewhere it seemed and bizarre to say the least

This one I cant ignore as it is even more ignorant of reality and just plain wrong.

First of all "they" didnt say they could sell 1 billion consoles.  One guy said it in an interview, it wasnt a corporate mesage and it wasnt an official statement.  But anyway,  he wasnt referring to Microsoft, he was referring to the tradtional console industry as a whole and beyond.  If you arent able to grasp what he meant, and journalists couldnt either, then that isnt his fault.  He is just a bigger thinker than you.

Secondly, they arent blinded by greed any more than Sony are or any other company, this statement just comes off as anti MS and it has no place in a serious conversation on business.

Next...  the $100m quote for a controller was actually the original xbox one controller.  In the context of the overall cost of a new console development... so what?

Next... They didnt say they would break even on Minecraft, they said they would break even on a GAAP basis.  I'll try to explain this to you.  MSFT sits on tens of billions of dollars in cash.  That cash generates an income.  If they move some of that cash somewhere else i.e. to buy Minecraft, and it generates the same or more income then they are breaking even at worst.  They dont care that the cash is in a different place if it generates more income.  People who dont understand accounts and how they work couldnt begin to understand this from the press release.  Not their fault for misunderstanding... but that doesnt give free reign to talk bollocks about it.

 

In short.  You whole post is made up on the basis of zero knowledge, heresay, incorrect assumptions, inaccuracies and an agenda.

 

 

 

 



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Kerotan said:
kowenicki said:

But all games must be playable on ps4 at some level according to Sony.... so seems you are unlikely to see anything except slightly more polish, unless they want to fuck over 40m people that is.

Exactly.  So the ps4 owner who's already happy like me can continue about their merry way.  For those who care about a few improvements feel free to shell out another $400. Personally I'll spend that money buying a shit load of games for my current ps4.

 

Then there's the possibility of buying PSVR so no chance I'll be getting an upgrade.  

 

The only good thing I can see is for those who haven't got a ps4 yet.  Sure why not,  give them a premium option. 

Or give your old ps4 in trade in, similar to when the ps3 and xb360 slim launched.  A lot of people wanted trade in their old hardware for the slims.



aLkaLiNE said:
Azzanation said:

They don't need to do anything, As long as MS are making money and making good games, they will ride the flow. Its not always about selling the most consoles, its about making money. The XB1 will only get cheaper to make from this point. If the PS4K doesn't sell then Sony will most likely lose money on it, same will happen with PS-VR and we know Sony isn't exactly the richest company out there.

MS doesn't care about the PS4K, that's Sony's investment to worry about. They are clearly happy with the specs of the X1 plus they already have access to the biggest gaming community out there with Windows.

Sony are the ones taking the risk here not MS.

What gives you the idea they've made any money?

 

@OP - if MS were smart, they would either leave the video game industry or try and coexist with the major players rather than throwing a bunch of money at a project that has failed to win three times now while making attempts to compete head on.  Instead, it looks like they're leaving direct competition with Sony to take on direct competition with Steam. They're kind of fucked and I feel like they're causing brand damage to Windows as a whole in light of recent developments.

 

Actually no. lets deal with this one too.

"Windows as a whole".  What does that even mean?   and can you demonstrate how it has even remotely damaged it?

Did you mean Microsoft as a whole?  Because thats even funnier.

 



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Microsoft is actually waiting to see how PS4 VR is going to fail and consume a good chunk of their money. Plus, there's already negative press about the upgrade in PS4 since Sony is trying to do the phone business of doing minimal ugrades to keep the price up. We'll see how that works